Pellergy pellet boiler

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Luvmesomesamples

Luvmesomesamples

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So I am seriously considering getting a pellet boiler and was wondering if anyone out there has a pellergy setup? I just met with a rep and was very impressed. Or if anyone has another manufacturer they would recommend? I need at least a 150k btu to run my system. My current oil boiler is 180k btu with a 1.5 gal/hr nozzle to heat my 4k sqft 160 year old home. Thanks for your insight!
 
I have a Windhagger biowin 260 and I love it. It replaced my 181k BTU oil boiler. I have 2800 sqft home and I added 600 sqft heated area and the BioWIN is still over-sized. When I looked to upgrade my oil boiler I thought it would do a direct replacement but that is not the case. The systems do not use then same methods to heat a house. An oil boiler system is a sized with a high/ quick heat and a pellet boiler has a slow long duration heat, sort of trickling into the house. The more times a day the pellet boiler go into ignition mode you decrease the efficiency of the stove.
 
I have two of the Pellergy units. I love them. I'd recommend using a Buderus boiler and having at least 119 gallons of storage.
 
Very happy with my Kedel. Like Marcus said though, a modulating boiler does not need to be as big as an on/off boiler because its not always playing catch up.

My house has a 100mbtu oil boiler but my heat balance calcs and baseboard length would only reject about 60mbtu/hr. I got a Kedel K102 (102 Mbtuh) pellet boiler since I was planning on adding 1000sq ft of work shop as well. I wish I went with the K68 model since I rarely get much over 50% firing rate even on design degree days.

Regardless, Kedel sells a 54, 68, 102, and 170mbtu/hr models.
 
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Luvmesomesamples said:
So I am seriously considering getting a pellet boiler and was wondering if anyone out there has a pellergy setup? I just met with a rep and was very impressed. Or if anyone has another manufacturer they would recommend? I need at least a 150k btu to run my system. My current oil boiler is 180k btu with a 1.5 gal/hr nozzle to heat my 4k sqft 160 year old home. Thanks for your insight!
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is NG not available in your area, IIRC the Pellergy conversion was close to $5 grand.....
You can do close to a %100 (%98ish) efficient gas boiler for less than that.
 
hyfire said:
The froling P4 pellet boilers are the most efficient in the world 93.7% efficient full internet control and self cleaning...more efficient than the windhagger boilers. The link is the brochure.





http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&ved=0CF0QFjAG&url=http://www.rsbiomass.com/froling/Froling%20P4%20Pellet%20Boiler%20Brochure%208-100.pdf&ei=P88NU6igFaed2gWIq4CQAg&usg=AFQjCNFpf0ObXomozZTyo4YTwBwzHz91pw&sig2=NoD1lSZ4-OdGGKNFwZyNAg&bvm=bv.61965928,d.b2I
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Also much more expensive than Windhager....
 
wsar10 said:
https://www.energystar.gov/index.cfm?c=most_efficient.me_boilers

Actually pellet boiler dont even make the cut as being considered "energy star" compliant or the highest efficiency rating.
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So if something isn't "Energy Star" certified that automatically makes it energy inefficient?

Energy Star is a government program created by the EPA. I understand other countries are participating in it but is by no means the final word on energy efficiency.
 
Dana B said:
So if something isn't "Energy Star" certified that automatically makes it energy inefficient?

Energy Star is a government program created by the EPA. I understand other countries are participating in it but is by no means the final word on energy efficiency.
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No not at all, but the comment was "the most efficient boiler in the world" and in terms of true efficiency a NG unit has a higher rating (meaning 95% of its consumed fuel is turned into heat)
 
Part of the problem is the lack of independent testing or verifying of the manufacturers claims whether it be oil, NG or pellets. Manufacturers can pretty much claim any efficiency they want. I believe that sort of thing is called marketing. it's like this in just about every industry. it takes an educated consumer to wade through the horse poop.
 
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Dana B said:
Part of the problem is the lack of independent testing or verifying of the manufacturers claims whether it be oil, NG or pellets. Manufacturers can pretty much claim any efficiency they want. I believe that sort of thing is called marketing. it's like this in just about every industry. it takes an educated consumer to wade through the horse poop.
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The federal trade commission regulates this info (AFUE), you can buy equipment to test efficiency for under $200. Having my own Plumbing and heating business for several years, I have never tested a boiler or furnace that was not within %1-2 of there rating (as new), even the Alpine boilers that were rated @98%.
 
hyfire said:
The froling P4 pellet boilers are the most efficient in the world 93.7% efficient full internet control and self cleaning...more efficient than the windhagger boilers. b2I
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The 93.7% is the efficiency with the lower heating value of the wood pellets, used in Europe.
This translate to around 86-87% with the higher heating value.
Same range for the Windhager BioWIN
 
PassionForFire&Water said:
The 93.7% is the efficiency with the lower heating value of the wood pellets, used in Europe.
This translate to around 86-87% with the higher heating value.
Same range for the Windhager BioWIN
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Thanks for clearing that up, i was just comparing the data between different manufacturers, no idea what the pellets they rate them with. One day I will switch to a pellet boiler, but as others have mentioned the cost of the froling is way out of range...
 
Gee, a simple question about pellet boilers sparks a heck of a debate. Natural gas is still pretty cheap, but right now we are not really exporting our new economic weapon. The big push to relax export controls and begin shipping more abroad (note the VPs promise to EU countries now depending on Russia) will bump the price up. That's how we are going to bail out the investors who heated up the frackers. Like always, common joe consumer will come to the rescue.
 
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So I'm in the final stages of negotiations for the pellergy system and I am debating the Biasi SG-4 & New Yorker CI-HGS-163 to go with my pellergy burner. Anyone have any info one way or another? Seems like the biasi is much easier to clean and made with a hybrid cast iron that is rated higher, but has a lot less water capacity. Weighs a lot less as well which I'm not sure how I feel.

I can not wait to get my 3800 sft house roasting this fall! In a side note I'm looking to sell my 1 year old accentra insert if anyone is interested. She worked really well for me last year but it's just too big of a job for her! Let me know!
 
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3.5 ton bulk bin assembled....whew. Install in a little less than a month. Can't wait to fill the bin with vermont softies! More pics coming.
 
How big is the footprint of the bin?
 
92 by 86. 73 inches tall.
 
So everything is finally complete and ready to go. Pics below including the electrical components to most efficiently tie it into my existing oil boiler.
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I have a timer relay set for 2 hours in my oil boiler. If the return is not reading 150 degrees after that period the oil boiler will kick on to support. Also a great safety net if we are away and the pellet boiler errors out. I also installed a timer on my pellet boiler circ pump so that it will continue to circulate for up to 10 min after the thermostat is satisfied to continue to benefit from the fire in the boiler and to keep the temp from spiking.
No storage at this point since my house is on one gigantic Zone of cast iron radiators. I'm sure I will tweak some things as I learn more this winter.

Indirect hot water is set up for pellet to be primary and throw the switch on my pellet system in the late spring and adjust my timer down to 10 second delay so my oil becomes primary for hot water in non heating months.

I will keep this thread updated in my results but am anticipating burning 10 ton of vermont softy bull delivered and saving at least 3k this year. I have all my receipts saved from last year so should be able to get a good gauge; although I am planning on keeping it about 5 degrees warmer in the house so who knows. At least my wife and kids will be happy!
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Big thank you to Allen at Vermont Renewable Fuels!
 
Hey, how's it running now that it's colder? That's a big, old, house you have to keep warm! Mine is running but hardly being tested because I still burn wood. I couldn't find a good way to get the pipes through the band joist, took it as a sign, and gave up, lol. I built a 4x4x4 plywood box and poured a ton+ in there, with the vacuum hoses taking it to the boiler.

I wonder if you could tell me where you got that timer? Mine only goes to 20 minutes. Thanks.
 
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