Small Wood Stove Options

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backpack09

Minister of Fire
Sep 10, 2007
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Rochester, Mass
Hello All,

This is my first post here.

I filing my permits this week to install a hearth, stove, and chimney in my living room.

I currently have an older stove I inheritted. It is a Trolla 25" tall 13" wide 19" deep.
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That I was planning on installing. Being that it is an older stove, and is not UL listed, I am prepairing myself to be shot down by the inspectors.

If so, what other stoves are out there that are similar in size. I am using it to my living room. (I cannot think of the dimensions right now.)

I was considering the Jotul Black bear, but would like to know if there are others out there.
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Unfortunately the cheapones... like Northerntool sells http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_796_796 are also not listed.
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Edit: Guess we aren't allowed to post pictures here.
 
While it's true that you can't (legally) install an unlisted appliance, check any stove you are considering carefully. I was told several times that I couldn't install my US Stove furnace because it "wasn't UL listed". It is, however, listed with ITS/Warnock-Hersey instead. This should be good enough, since they test to NFPA and ATSM specs. UL is not "the only game in town" as far as testing labs. Besides, an unlisted stove probably is a "Smoke Dragon" anyway. I bought my furnace which by the regs is "exempt" from EPA standards at this point, but plan on replacing with a Caddy furnace soon. I just have to be extremely careful and diligent in my wood prep/burning technique. You also have to weigh safety, and how much your life is worth when it comes to a woodburner.

EDIT: I just realized that it was the Vogelzang/Vozelgang "Death Box" stove that you were talking about. They are a waste of metal, I wouldn't burn one outside on a concrete pad! Any inspector who would let you put that in a home would not be doing their job at all.

I have a Earth Stove 1400, a very nice little stove that is not extravagantly made. Something similar should meet your needs. Almost all of the reputable stove companies make small stoves, Pacific Energy stoves seem to have a loyal (cough, cough) following.
 
Welcome backpack. There are a few small stoves that might work. Jotul 602, Vermont Castings Aspen come to mind and often show up on eBay. But it would help a lot to know what size space you are trying to heat, your location, and what the house is like as far as insulation, tightness, windows, etc.

You might also consider a new Englander 13NC, which is available at some big box stores and is a good value at $739. Or if that's too big, the 12-FP goes for about $639 at Home Depot.
http://www.englanderstove.com/13-ncl.html
 
Thanks for the replies.

How much does the Aspen and 602 usually sell for new? If I am going to be spending the money on a stove it will definately be cast rather than plate.

And, for the record, I was not considering that Pretty piece of chinese poop that Northern Tool is selling.

I will get back to you all tonight with the dimensions of the room. but in summary.

My house is a 50 year old former cape, now cottagey looking thing after 4 or 5 additions. We purchased it 2 years ago as it is.

The living room has:
10' doorway into the eating room (formerly front porch)
3x3 open hole into kitchen over sink
1 open doorway into back office
9 60" tall drafty windows currently, 2 will be removed to accomodate the wood stove.
and an unused front door with storm door.
Insulation behind walls is questionable at best.

I have a CAD sketch I will post up tonight to better explain (I am an engineer, so all my sketches come from the computer)

Thanks,
 
A drawing will help. Show where you'd like to install the chimney and stove. How many sq. ft. total in the house? How many sq. ft. in the room where the stove will be installed?

A leaky cape in MA will need some real heat. Unless the stove is in a room that has poor air circulation to the rest of the house, a bigger stove may be needed. But if you're keeping the stove small I would consider the VC Intrepid Cat stove ($1400) for longer burns. The Aspen and 602 are somewhere around $1000 last time I looked.

How will you be running the stove? 24/7 or evenings and weekends?
 
The Stove will be for supplemental in the evenings and weekends.

The room is ~21x15 so 300 sf, and a small 7x14 about porch that will also be heated by it. So say 500 square being heated.

So the smallest wood stove will most likely work.

Now that I get another look at the stove, it does not say Trolla anywhere like others I have seen, but it has the same dancing scene with mountains as the stove I posted from a craigslist ad. It is stamped "Taiwan" on the rear, with no other markings.

Thanks all,
 
Back pack I have the Intrepid in a similar size room What the intrepid offers is thermostatic controlled burning ,,smokeless top loading, and up to twice the burn times of similar size fire box stoves. I believe it to be the best stove in the small fire box range The Aspen will require more frequent reloading.

Another good feature is long enough splits to hold a decent burn times 16" I have had very good productive heat times of 6 hours and been able to rekindle the next morning wit some kindling and raking the coals into a pile.. All smaller stoves have one thing in common, Very small ash pans or none at all. The Intrepid has a small ash pan that needs to be emptied daily or
every other day.. I speaking from personal experience backed by 30 years of wood heating

Another nice feature is a great glass viewing area for a stove that size.. I can tell you this stove really makes a very warm pleasant room Picture this on the couch watching Patriots
playoff games with my wife Great view of the fire a little wine A pats Touchdown or two Little more wine Halftime snuggling little more wine Does not get to much better than this Tee shirts in the dead of winter and comfortable very comfortable

Sorry if not a Patriots Team insert you own favorite team
 
Trash that trolla copy - if it was an actual Trolla, then it might have been worth trying to get a permit.

Look at the cubic foot capacity of the stoves you are shopping for. Many companies, such as Morso and Jotul, have very small models. VC has the Intrepid, etc.
 
For that kind of heating the little Jotul F100 would do a good job and has the best view of the fire for a little stove that I have seen. I am actually swapping it back into my office and moving out the F3CB this year. The F3 just ain't impressing me.
 
Even though the 13-NC is listed online at $739 it is $629 at my local Home Depot. . .
 
elkimmeg said:
Back pack I have the Intrepid in a similar size room What the intrepid offers is thermostatic controlled burning ,,smokeless top loading, and up to twice the burn times of similar size fire box stoves. I believe it to be the best stove in the small fire box range The Aspen will require more frequent reloading.

Another good feature is long enough splits to hold a decent burn times 16" I have had very good productive heat times of 6 hours and been able to rekindle the next morning wit some kindling and raking the coals into a pile.. All smaller stoves have one thing in common, Very small ash pans or none at all. The Intrepid has a small ash pan that needs to be emptied daily or
every other day.. I speaking from personal experience backed by 30 years of wood heating

Another nice feature is a great glass viewing area for a stove that size.. I can tell you this stove really makes a very warm pleasant room Picture this on the couch watching Patriots
playoff games with my wife Great view of the fire a little wine A pats Touchdown or two Little more wine Halftime snuggling little more wine Does not get to much better than this Tee shirts in the dead of winter and comfortable very comfortable

Sorry if not a Patriots Team insert you own favorite team

I'm interested in the Intrepid - good looking stove, many great features.
You have the Cat version, I'm assuming??
Sounds like you get decent burns & decent heat in spite of its size.
What burn times do you typically get using what kind of wood??
Running reliably with few or no breakdowns seen in VC's typically??
A bit pricey, but perhaps you could convice me that this stove is worth it.
Your input is appreciated....

Rob
 
My wife fell in love with the Craftsbury online last night. I like the looks and the ability to side load the Spectra. We will see how far our budget stretches. The intrepid is also a beautiful stove.

ELK, My nearest full line dealer, that carries/sells most popular brands is EastCoastFireplaces in Hanover. Do you or anyone else have any experience with them? Are they a decent seller? Will they sell to a homeowner that is planning a DIY install?

One more thing, after I get a chance to price out these cast stoves and decide that they are way beyond my budget... What is everyones experience with the smaller Plate stoves? The $700 HomeDepot special sounds like a deal, but is it just a rebadged piece of chinese junk like they sell for BBQs?

Thank you,
I have a few other install questions that I will search for/post new threads for.
 
Whitman, my home town.

Morso makes some nice smaller stoves and there is a dealer right up the street in Weymouth. Any dealer will sell just a stove and if they dont walk away. They may not want to but the truth of the matter is woodburning is done by many independent people and many of them are DIY

Dealers in MA
http://www.morsoe.com/us/resellers/Find_a_dealer/ma.htm

Though I bought mine in New Hampshire getting my "rebate" one way or the other.

Stoves
http://www.morsoe.com/us/Products/Stoves/
 
In small stoves, best performance per $ is the Jotul F602. I'd give best-of-class nod to the Morso 3410... a real sweetie.
 
The Englander stoves I referenced are made in the USA. We are fortunate to have their tech rep (Mike) online here. They are good, basic, clean burning stoves that offer a lot of value.
 
Rob From Wisconsin said:
elkimmeg said:
Back pack I have the Intrepid in a similar size room What the intrepid offers is thermostatic controlled burning ,,smokeless top loading, and up to twice the burn times of similar size fire box stoves. I believe it to be the best stove in the small fire box range The Aspen will require more frequent reloading.

Another good feature is long enough splits to hold a decent burn times 16" I have had very good productive heat times of 6 hours and been able to rekindle the next morning wit some kindling and raking the coals into a pile.. All smaller stoves have one thing in common, Very small ash pans or none at all. The Intrepid has a small ash pan that needs to be emptied daily or
every other day.. I speaking from personal experience backed by 30 years of wood heating

Another nice feature is a great glass viewing area for a stove that size.. I can tell you this stove really makes a very warm pleasant room Picture this on the couch watching Patriots
playoff games with my wife Great view of the fire a little wine A pats Touchdown or two Little more wine Halftime snuggling little more wine Does not get to much better than this Tee shirts in the dead of winter and comfortable very comfortable

Sorry if not a Patriots Team insert you own favorite team

I'm interested in the Intrepid - good looking stove, many great features.
You have the Cat version, I'm assuming??
Sounds like you get decent burns & decent heat in spite of its size.
What burn times do you typically get using what kind of wood??
Running reliably with few or no breakdowns seen in VC's typically??
A bit pricey, but perhaps you could convice me that this stove is worth it.
Your input is appreciated....

Rob

the non cat version was discontinued last year. It plain could not compete with the cat model With fireboxes this size. Actually it really only competed with the smaller Aspen.

Plan at best to get 3 /4 hours productive heat. Add a cat and thematically controlled combustion 6+ hours of productive heat is the norm (Productive heat my explanation griddle top temps over 400 degrees. not just a few coals raked into a little pipe and stove temps under 200 degrees) This is a very well designed combustion system, going threw revisions and enhancements for its 20 year run. Mine is 20 years old. Other than replacing the original cat combustor and some gaskets, I have not had to replace any internal parts. None are warped and none need replacing. It was this stove that proved to me and dispelled the non cat myth. I was given the stove about 3 years back it replaced an Mid 80 plate steel stove which I gave to a needy family. At first I looked at the stove and immediately figured I made a big mistake No way this small stove was going to heat this cathedral ceiling family room. IT looked so small

What if everybody was right? The cat stoves are too sensitive to draft in my concrete block masonry chimney. Imagine the I told you so from the wife and my own self doubt?
I fired it up not too bad getting it going build a good bed of coals then loaded it got it up to temp engaged that cat the thermo on the griddle remained an even 550 I was so accustomed to regulating the air that I was waiting for the temp to drop to add air my primary air was only 1/4 open..,. Ok go out side look up at the chimney hell no sign of smoke I know that cat is working. Time passed and the room thermo is rising temp 66 to 71 outside in now 18 dropping Hell Im only 3 hours into the burn and there is plenty of remaining wood. Better yet I haven't touched any air controls and the stove top is still around 550 to 575 At the fith hour it is now 15 out but a very cozy 74 inside and still the stove top is at 550 .

The last hour before I reloaded hour 6 the stove top went down 100 degrees and room temp went back a degree About 11:00 now I loaded it again. within 15 minutes the fire was ready to
engage the cat I went to bed Next morning about 10 degrees outside but inside was still 68 degrees stove was at 250 raked the coals in a pile some smaller kinfdling and I was back in businesses. I never experienced this performance before. This stove was out preforming my New resolute Acclaim. Honest it burned longer with little fussing with controls.
No more fiddling and diddiling with controls like I was doing with the resolute to find that sweet spot. Hell this was too easy I felt like the old Maytag repairman set it and forget it.

It must have been a fluke? 3years later its not a fluke but the norm. I look at it as the little engine that could. I could not believe how well it preformed .I got to thinking maybe I should replace the Resolute Acclaim with a Cat Encore. In my travels I found one, used only two seasons, $500 Great shape, I changed a few gaskets. Sold the Resolute and just about an even swap. Best move I made in a long time, it preformed better than I expected. Same routine set and forget and now a realistic 8+ hour productive heat range.

That intrepid is still here going into season 4 and if the Patriots may the playoffs so will the warm fire be providing heat and a little wine producing another kind of heat. It is true a wood stove came warm you up in more ways that one..

did I tell you it has an open fire screen option That's right, you can admire an open flame on that couch session with your wife. Something has to be said about fire and good wine.
 
i second everything that Elk said about the Intrepid II and i would also stress how great the top loading is. it truly is smokeless, much safer, and much cleaner. the only time i open the front doors is to empty ashes, thats it. it doesn't have a huge firebox so you can't expect miracles for heat output. but given the proper expectations you can't beat it.

i also just bought a used Defiant Encore to replace our insert at the other end of the house.
oh my god, i'm turning into ELK, JR!
 
I'd like to remind everybody that he's talking about heating 500 sq ft here...

In the NE, a Jotul F602 will be more in the $650 range, and a Morso 3410 9-ish.
 
also forgot to mention i routinely see 3-4 year old intrepid II's for sale in the $500-750 range, which if in good condition would be a great buy
 
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