Job creation from a 1%er
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Grisu
Minister of Fire
Hey, we aren't the guy nobody wants to work for.
Given the wages paid here, hearth.com must win any "best place to work"-contest by a landslide.
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ironpony
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ironpony
Minister of Fire
No I do not pay minimum wage. You get paid for how you work. I have a hard time getting American workers that work and don't do heroin on the job. I have a Costa Rican crew that does not mess around. Been doing business with them for 15 years. And yes they are legal or have current work visas. Sometimes they make more than I do
I have to agree with you, my crews are mostly Latino, work hard and no drugs
The no help from parents thing must be in the water in Pa. I help my kids but will let them fall too. After detailed instruction I watched my son adjust the chain on his dirt bike 4 times till he got it right. He won't have that problem again.
Have you dealt with Korean dudes yet? I have a crew of siders from Korea . I speak Spanish but Korean is tough. Hard working loyal guys.
$1800.00 on a grill? Hope it butchers the cow and mows my grass...things can not be to bad, over on the DIY thread they are spending 1800 dollarson BBQ grills..................
Hey, we aren't the guy nobody wants to work for.
what can i say,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Owen1508
Minister of Fire
If I was to start a manufacturing company why would I want to start it on US soil?? I could set up south of the boarder pay lower wages, with little labor oversight, no EPA regs, no healthcare concerns. Make my widgets then transport it on Mexican trucks (less regs) with Mexician drivers (lower wages) over the boarder and sell it to All the US, for higher profit. Why hasn't NAFTA come up yet, or the Pacific Trade Agreement?? Yet taxing the 1%ers or raise the min. wage are the only two options for job growth in US? Why not shoot down NAFTA reject PTA and raise tariffs on imported products so it's more feesable to make things with in our boarders? yes it will increase price some (some raise in min. wage), but will benifit us all in the end.
Frozen Canuck
Minister of Fire
Now there are some macro issues that I would agree are worthy of discussion as well as being far more likely to be part of a workable solution.
Edit: jharkin & grisu brought up some macro issues as well but those were talked around faster than you can say…..nah better not.
Ashful
Minister of Fire
Well you see, we're trying to not get off on a tangent...
Butcher
Minister of Fire
Where in my post did I say anything about Europe? You lost me there man. But go ahead and get you yah yahs out about strong labor unions. Freaking typical.
Butcher
Minister of Fire
This debate has been fun. It seems as though it is going no where as expected. No one involved will be able to get any thing done on the issue one way or the other by sitting at a computer and pasting internet charts and graphs and references to cyber space news articles. But then, if it's on the internet it must be fact, RIGHT?
I think a much more productive debate would be one about some thing like, huh, lets say, the existence of bigfoot. Yeah, there ya go. Lets pound our chests over the possible existence of Bigfoot. Now there's something a cave man like me can really get into! When I first saw the original post way back how many pages ago it read
1%er. Dopy me. I thought it was something about some one I may have rode with back in the 70's and 80's when I was flying colors on my vest. I should have known better. Even us 1%ers on 2 wheels had a better understanding of the world around us than some I've been witness to lately. And Bart, when you pick up your cheese look out. I might come take it and tell you it's notchyocheese.
I think a much more productive debate would be one about some thing like, huh, lets say, the existence of bigfoot. Yeah, there ya go. Lets pound our chests over the possible existence of Bigfoot. Now there's something a cave man like me can really get into! When I first saw the original post way back how many pages ago it read
1%er. Dopy me. I thought it was something about some one I may have rode with back in the 70's and 80's when I was flying colors on my vest. I should have known better. Even us 1%ers on 2 wheels had a better understanding of the world around us than some I've been witness to lately. And Bart, when you pick up your cheese look out. I might come take it and tell you it's notchyocheese.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Or check their cell phones all day. Once had a 2 guys doing drywall and painting and decided to pay them by the job not hourly.No I do not pay minimum wage. You get paid for how you work. I have a hard time getting American workers that work and don't do heroin on the job.
One guy 55yrs OLD took 3days to do a room the other guy 25Yrs old took 6 weeks. Worst part was the slow guy was my nephew. both got paid the same.
Reading about these people that don't want to work and these benevolent businessmen has brought back a memory from my first job. Working in a one man mom and pop grocery store after school, weekends and summer. Twenty-five cents an hour working for a crotchety old fart. Everything from cleaning to working produce to stocking and deliveries in a '53 Plymouth. That and women customer's asking me to stay with them as he followed them around the store and pawed them. 
One day his wife's cat died and all of a sudden it was my job to bury it. Dug as far in the hard sun burned Texas dirt as I could. She was the one that went out and put it in the hole and covered it up. Of course that night something dug it up. Old man is waiting for my 14 year old self when I arrived the next day and said "You are only interested in quitting time and payday. You didn't dig deep enough." to which I replied that I looked to them more than pulling rotted potatoes out of bags and washing the rest and putting them back and burying cats. He said he should slap the chit out of me. I put my hands behind my back and told him to take his best shot. That my Dad had always wanted to own a grocery store. And left.
Spoiled kid I guess.
One day his wife's cat died and all of a sudden it was my job to bury it. Dug as far in the hard sun burned Texas dirt as I could. She was the one that went out and put it in the hole and covered it up. Of course that night something dug it up. Old man is waiting for my 14 year old self when I arrived the next day and said "You are only interested in quitting time and payday. You didn't dig deep enough." to which I replied that I looked to them more than pulling rotted potatoes out of bags and washing the rest and putting them back and burying cats. He said he should slap the chit out of me. I put my hands behind my back and told him to take his best shot. That my Dad had always wanted to own a grocery store. And left.Spoiled kid I guess.
Frozen Canuck
Minister of Fire
Sounds a lot like my first job pumping gas, didn't have to bury the cat though 
. Good thing as I would have likely been burning coal to thaw the ground first. Did have to clean the grease sump (yes we had those way back then), the oil sump (yep had those too) & the mechanics pit, then go out & serve customers - but "don't you dare get any of that grease, oil or dirt on anyones car". So glad that Dad insisted I get out & work somewhere other than the family business, gave me an appreciation for rational people. Looking back on it, I am glad the auto detailing business was basically a no go at that time. I am sure he would have had me doing that after I had cleaned the pits & sumps with a but "don't you dare get any of that on anyones car".Yep me too, spoiled rotten.
Next job was a small Texaco station. All day and closing at night and taking the receipts over to the owner's house and dropping the bag inside his front door around 11 pm. One day he came in the station and dropped off a .30 carbine in case I got robbed. Told him to get that thing out of there. If they came in unarmed they would get the money. If they weren't they would get the money and the gun and then shoot my young ass. That one was forty cents an hour. Decided on a career change when a couple of cars started parking across the street about closing time for a few nights.
Damned job creators wanted to slap the chit our of me or get me robbed and killed. Went and got the next job on a ranch punching cows all by myself. They don't punch back. And saw the owner once a month or so.
BTW: A new world's post record for a Hearth.com thread. And not a word about stoves or wood. Bloody place is turning into Twitter.
Taking it down over coffee in the morning folks.
Damned job creators wanted to slap the chit our of me or get me robbed and killed. Went and got the next job on a ranch punching cows all by myself. They don't punch back. And saw the owner once a month or so.
BTW: A new world's post record for a Hearth.com thread. And not a word about stoves or wood. Bloody place is turning into Twitter.
Taking it down over coffee in the morning folks.
Hahahahaha better get my bad boss story in quick then!
It was working for a charity. He was a psychopath. A real one. Would send me emails at 4am requesting a task that should take 3 days be done by 9am. Would blame me for following his directions (which he had 'forgotten' he had given when it suited him). Complained about my salary even though he was the one that had negotiated it. Undermined me in meetings and blamed me for not being able to read his mind/predict the future/work miracles.
Had to stay with it because hubby was in immigration limbo and we needed the money. I am still incredibly proud to this day that I lasted 10 months and managed to get some good resume fodder.
It was working for a charity. He was a psychopath. A real one. Would send me emails at 4am requesting a task that should take 3 days be done by 9am. Would blame me for following his directions (which he had 'forgotten' he had given when it suited him). Complained about my salary even though he was the one that had negotiated it. Undermined me in meetings and blamed me for not being able to read his mind/predict the future/work miracles.
Had to stay with it because hubby was in immigration limbo and we needed the money. I am still incredibly proud to this day that I lasted 10 months and managed to get some good resume fodder.
Frozen Canuck
Minister of Fire
Hey I know a doctor that can get you some pills for that.
Cheap Canadian pills too not those pricey south of 49 pills.
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