Where did that airplane go?
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Beer Belly
Minister of Fire
drewmo
Feeling the Heat
No idea, but the longer it stays missing the more likely it is hidden someplace. Given it's been 12 days disappeared, had it crashed in the ocean, a chunk of that plane would have been found by now.
Warm_in_NH
Minister of Fire
Strange. Similar to the air france flight that took years to find, but debris from that one was found 5 days later.
Boggles me why Malaysian authorities are so slow with info, crooked or just slow? Strange.
My thoughts on day 2 was a stolen plane, but I wear a tin foil hat at night too, so I don't give myself much credit. Plus that'd be really hard to accomplish, but not impossible, then what are you gonna do with it? We can snipe missiles out of the sky, a non responsive jet liner wouldn't make it too far.
I think it's at the bottom of the ocean WAY off course. Attempted theft but something went wrong and it went down.
For the families sake I hope they come up with some sort of an answer, can't imagine what kind of limbo their living in.
Anyone check ebay or craigs list? Lots of stolen items end up there.
Boggles me why Malaysian authorities are so slow with info, crooked or just slow? Strange.
My thoughts on day 2 was a stolen plane, but I wear a tin foil hat at night too, so I don't give myself much credit. Plus that'd be really hard to accomplish, but not impossible, then what are you gonna do with it? We can snipe missiles out of the sky, a non responsive jet liner wouldn't make it too far.
I think it's at the bottom of the ocean WAY off course. Attempted theft but something went wrong and it went down.
For the families sake I hope they come up with some sort of an answer, can't imagine what kind of limbo their living in.
Anyone check ebay or craigs list? Lots of stolen items end up there.
ironpony
Minister of Fire
my theory, first the pilots took the plane to 45000 ft, verified, no one would really notice this. Pilots put on oxygen masks, pilot then depressurizes cabin, yes they can do that manually. At 45000 ft passengers would be unconscious in seconds, level flight 4 minutes, all passengers deceased. This is why there are no cell phone calls, texts or e-mails. The pilot then descends to 5000 ft and flies to one of the several hundred runways within the planes flight range, verified. The plane will be fully fueled and WMD will be added, then it will be flown on a suicide mission to some area as a political statement.
I will answer some questions before asked, and there are several members on here with enough experience to back them up, contrary to what is being reported by "experts" on TV.
777's are not certified to fly above 43,500 ft. it would fall apart. Planes fly within a flight envelope, Boeing is VERY conservative on this, if they say 43,500 is safe it will probably fly at 50,000 without incidence. you can not fly a 777 at 5000 ft, A pilot with 18,000 flight hours is capable of flying that airplane at 500 ft all day long.
The U.S. knows where the plane is, it can not say that because that would let the world know our spying capabilities along with tipping of the hijackers. When I was still involved with aircraft 20 yrs ago we could see a dime on the ground from 40,000 ft and tell if it was heads or tails.
JAGS what are your thoughts?? A couple of E2C's, EA6B's and an S2 tracker find it by morning.
I will answer some questions before asked, and there are several members on here with enough experience to back them up, contrary to what is being reported by "experts" on TV.
777's are not certified to fly above 43,500 ft. it would fall apart. Planes fly within a flight envelope, Boeing is VERY conservative on this, if they say 43,500 is safe it will probably fly at 50,000 without incidence. you can not fly a 777 at 5000 ft, A pilot with 18,000 flight hours is capable of flying that airplane at 500 ft all day long.
The U.S. knows where the plane is, it can not say that because that would let the world know our spying capabilities along with tipping of the hijackers. When I was still involved with aircraft 20 yrs ago we could see a dime on the ground from 40,000 ft and tell if it was heads or tails.
JAGS what are your thoughts?? A couple of E2C's, EA6B's and an S2 tracker find it by morning.
Kool_hand_Looke
Feeling the Heat
S2 Vikings or mere flying dumpsters anymore. Trainer planes. They were last used as "Texaco's". In flight refueling.
Kool_hand_Looke
Feeling the Heat
And I'm pretty sure the Prowler is being phased out by the Super Hornet retrofitted with Prowler smart parts.
Mrs. Krabappel
Minister of Fire
Then there's this http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/
KD0AXS
Burning Hunk
Finally sanity intervenes in the conversation.
Kool_hand_Looke
Feeling the Heat
Sanity?
"Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go?"
Really? This guy, being all broey because apparently pilots are smarter that everyone EVER...is the ONLY person asking this? Yeah, okay.
Then there's this: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/0...ckpit-checked-in-12-minutes-after-course-was/ which came out after Super Pilot aired his little strokes of brilliance on Wired.
ironpony
Minister of Fire
not a bad theory except, 20 plus year impeccable service record, if it was an in flight fire people would be calling texting emailing, none were sent, not one. where is the debris field? alot of the components/ parts float, the fuel tank in the rudder alone could float the whole tail end of the plane. oil/fuel slick??? someday we will know.
Warm_in_NH
Minister of Fire
From wired
"Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play."
Two stolen passports boarded the plane, no radio call for help, flight simulator in apartment....
No debris, no oil slick, no radar signature....
Who knows, but there's certainly enough evidence to investigate foul play until something, anything, is found, no?
Perhaps Russia has it, look, missing plane! Nothing going on here.....
Mrs. Krabappel
Minister of Fire
The cell phone issue has been repeatedly addressed.
The wired article suits the principle of parsimony, an approach I always take in order to sort out answers in evolutionary biology, demonic possessions, and missing airplanes
The wired article suits the principle of parsimony, an approach I always take in order to sort out answers in evolutionary biology, demonic possessions, and missing airplanes
ironpony
Minister of Fire
electrical fire, plenty of time for a mayday signal. there are protocols that are followed, none were, almost the exact opposite was done.
SARS pinged for 7 hours, establishing the 1000 mile radius of flight path possibilities.
SARS pinged for 7 hours, establishing the 1000 mile radius of flight path possibilities.
ironpony
Minister of Fire
I know these are not state of the art anymore, I have been out of the aircraft field for 20 years. This is what I am familiar with and those planes are very capable off finding this "missing" aircraft. I can only imagine what we are capable of today. The S2's I am referring to are sub trackers, not sure if it what you are thinking of. I am retired from Grumman Aerospace, which built most of what was on a carrier, so my opinion is a little biased. I still bleed Grumman blue.
F-14, A6, EA6B, E2C, C2A, S2 and all the other great "CATS" Grumman built. NO other airplanes had the service life of a Grumman plane, especially on a carrier.
Beer Belly
Minister of Fire
Does seem feasible....God help us if this scenario plays out.....I don't think anybody would be in a rush to shoot down an airliner
Kool_hand_Looke
Feeling the Heat
Yep. Were talking about the same S2. The Navy removed it from sub hunting and used it for refueling services and retrofitted it for refueling capabilities. The forward projected sub hunting was passed on to HS-60 squadrons and the P3 Orion handles rotation sub hunting, among other things as well. There's also the E-6B, which has mre capabilities than the EA-6B Prowler. The E-6B...is a 777 itself operated out of Tinker AFB, OK.
I will never EVER miss the EA-6B waking me up in the middle of the night...screaming across the sky. Or the Harrier.
firefighterjake
Minister of Fire
From what I understand cell phones have a limited range once in the air?
Seems like there are a lot of questions and a whole lot of guessing . . .
There are some things being revealed that may or may not prove to be important clues . . . or red herrings. For example, the pilot's flight simulator. Was this being used as a prelude to a nefarious plot . . . or was it simply a guy with a love of aviation? I mean to say, I know guys who have Gamewell Boxes and even have bought fire trucks as they love their career so much.
Truth is . . . right now no one has all the pieces in this puzzle.
Seems like there are a lot of questions and a whole lot of guessing . . .
There are some things being revealed that may or may not prove to be important clues . . . or red herrings. For example, the pilot's flight simulator. Was this being used as a prelude to a nefarious plot . . . or was it simply a guy with a love of aviation? I mean to say, I know guys who have Gamewell Boxes and even have bought fire trucks as they love their career so much.
Truth is . . . right now no one has all the pieces in this puzzle.
firefighterjake
Minister of Fire
i am guessing you own a firetruck?
My cell phone has a limited range on the ground!
firefighterjake
Minister of Fire
i am guessing you own a firetruck?
Nope . . . too rich for my blood. But I do have a few other firefighting related items. That said . . . I know of at least one guy that at last count had one or two fire trucks . . . even put a fire pole in his house . . . seriously hardcore collector.
well every guy wants that! You get to slide down it and it does double duty when the wife takes those pole dancing classes.
I think we haven't found it yet. Don't really know what to think beyond that. Yes, our capabilities are awesome but that doesn't negate the fact that we have to be in the right area to locate it.
It will be found. Maybe today, maybe next week or next year, but it will be found. Let the facts come out.
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