Where did that airplane go?

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It was the ACRS that transmitted 12 minutes before the handoff transmission from the co-pilot. The ACRS wasn't scheduled to transmit again for 30 more minutes after its last transmission.

ACRS is not a constant transmitting black box. Why they still have black boxes. It's a bandwidth thing.

The shot came from the Grassy Knoll.
 
We've eliminated every other possibility. It's time we faced reality:

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They're all on a beautiful tropical island with polar bears, underground bunkers, and some sort of smoke monster.
 
Yes, it's crystal clear that my smart big brain makes you hostile.

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See that? I just blew a fuse and had an electrical fire from laugh so freaking hard.

Good thing my autopilot is still flying.
 
Problem solved CNN reporter just announced the plane was sucked into a black hole, boy am I relieved.
 
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They show the debris the satellite found, but say they can't tell what it is. It sure is funny that they can see it from space, but cannot make it that last 100 ft to see it clearly. Sorta like there are no clear photos of Bigfoot or a UFO.
 
my theory, first the pilots took the plane to 45000 ft, verified, no one would really notice this. Pilots put on oxygen masks, pilot then depressurizes cabin, yes they can do that manually. At 45000 ft passengers would be unconscious in seconds, level flight 4 minutes, all passengers deceased. This is why there are no cell phone calls, texts or e-mails. The pilot then descends to 5000 ft and flies to one of the several hundred runways within the planes flight range, verified. The plane will be fully fueled and WMD will be added, then it will be flown on a suicide mission to some area as a political statement.

I will answer some questions before asked, and there are several members on here with enough experience to back them up, contrary to what is being reported by "experts" on TV.

777's are not certified to fly above 43,500 ft. it would fall apart. Planes fly within a flight envelope, Boeing is VERY conservative on this, if they say 43,500 is safe it will probably fly at 50,000 without incidence. you can not fly a 777 at 5000 ft, A pilot with 18,000 flight hours is capable of flying that airplane at 500 ft all day long.

The U.S. knows where the plane is, it can not say that because that would let the world know our spying capabilities along with tipping of the hijackers. When I was still involved with aircraft 20 yrs ago we could see a dime on the ground from 40,000 ft and tell if it was heads or tails.

JAGS what are your thoughts?? A couple of E2C's, EA6B's and an S2 tracker find it by morning.


I'm gonna get in trouble for not reading the entire thread... But anyway there are some technical issues with this.

#1. Service ceiling has nothing to do with the plane breaking up. Its about having enough excess power from the engines to have climb power available and maintain a resonable cruise speed. As altitude increases, the air gets thinner and the wings produce less lift. You compensate by flying a higher angle of attack, trading airspeed for lift and drag. At a certain point you pass an optimum ratio of speed to range, and in fact if you pay attention most long distance flights follow a step climb routine where they fly higher through the flight as fuel is burned off and the plane lightens.

The mechanism is so common that in fact most all modern airliners have similar service ceilings in the low 40s. There is a second 'absolute ceiling, and this is the altitude where they need to use 100% thrust just to maintain altitude and typically the speed at this apt is very low because they need a high angle of attack and are using all available power just to make lift.

The rest of the theory seems a bit of a stretch. What makes no sense to me is that all communications shut off so long before it disappeared completely. Seems to me that something happened to very suddenly incapacitate the crew and passengers but not so bad to prevent it continuing on autopilot for a while before going down.explosive decompression? Maybe.. But hard to think at least one of the crew wouldn't have gotten a mask on and been able to mayday. And still doesn't answer why they changed course and shutoff all radios and transponders.

The entire thing is odd. My wife is convinced we have secret super satellites that know where it is to the inch. I'm not and think they are going to be searching the ocean for years....
 
They show the debris the satellite found, but say they can't tell what it is. It sure is funny that they can see it from space, but cannot make it that last 100 ft to see it clearly. Sorta like there are no clear photos of Bigfoot or a UFO.






they can read the date on a coin on the ground and cant see a 75 long piece of debris......
 
I'm struggling here...what makes us think satellites have cameras that can read a coin???
 
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I'm gonna get in trouble for not reading the entire thread... But anyway there are some technical issues with this.

#1. Service ceiling has nothing to do with the plane breaking up. Its about having enough excess power from the engines to have climb power available and maintain a resonable cruise speed. As altitude increases, the air gets thinner and the wings produce less lift. You compensate by flying a higher angle of attack, trading airspeed for lift and drag. At a certain point you pass an optimum ratio of speed to range, and in fact if you pay attention most long distance flights follow a step climb routine where they fly higher through the flight as fuel is burned off and the plane lightens.

The mechanism is so common that in fact most all modern airliners have similar service ceilings in the low 40s. There is a second 'absolute ceiling, and this is the altitude where they need to use 100% thrust just to maintain altitude and typically the speed at this apt is very low because they need a high angle of attack and are using all available power just to make lift.

The rest of the theory seems a bit of a stretch. What makes no sense to me is that all communications shut off so long before it disappeared completely. Seems to me that something happened to very suddenly incapacitate the crew and passengers but not so bad to prevent it continuing on autopilot for a while before going down.explosive decompression? Maybe.. But hard to think at least one of the crew wouldn't have gotten a mask on and been able to mayday. And still doesn't answer why they changed course and shutoff all radios and transponders.

The entire thing is odd. My wife is convinced we have secret super satellites that know where it is to the inch. I'm not and think they are going to be searching the ocean for years....





1) the plane did not break up it was still flying. agreed but they were only 1500 ft above service ceiling. the crew was not incapacitated, they put on oxygen and the passengers did not. the crew did not want to contact anyone. I agree with you wife, if I can go on google and zoom in on my house and see stuff in the courtyard, pile of wood, I am sure the Govt capabilities are a little better.
 
I'm struggling here...what makes us think satellites have cameras that can read a coin???



I know for a fact 20 yrs ago when I was involved with Navy aircraft we could see a dime on the ground and know if it was heads or tails. fast forward 20 yrs it is believable.
 
Remember this?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

So my gf, heard from her boss who was working on a guys teeth, who was in, but still has friends in the Navy who know people who said they already picked up the signal of the black boxes from a sub but it's super deep and they're waiting for some sort of confirmation before releasing the info. ;)

Everyone loves a good mystery.
 
I know for a fact 20 yrs ago when I was involved with Navy aircraft we could see a dime on the ground and know if it was heads or tails. fast forward 20 yrs it is believable.

Reconnaissance aircraft cameras may indeed have better resolution than satellite as they are a lot closer to the ground. Have we got a plane out there to get eyes on this thing? And do you think the Malaysians have anything even close to our capabilities?
 
1) the plane did not break up it was still flying. agreed but they were only 1500 ft above service ceiling. the crew was not incapacitated, they put on oxygen and the passengers did not. the crew did not want to contact anyone. I agree with you wife, if I can go on google and zoom in on my house and see stuff in the courtyard, pile of wood, I am sure the Govt capabilities are a little better.

My point was, you wrote that an aircraft will break up if it exceeds the ceiling. This is not true, the ceiling is just the point where it no longer has enough excess engine power/thrust to keep climbing.


Also, for your theory to work they needed to also disable the automatic emergency deployment of oxygen masks in the passenger compartment, prevent flight attendants from reaching the portable tanks throughout the cabin, etc. And they had to do this faster than anyone could react. A manual cabin depress is a slow process, its not instantaneous and explosive like a window blowing out.

Highly unlikely....
 
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We all have computers...I don't see the utility of repeating all the up to the minute news bulletins on Hearth.com

Actually, I wonder whether this thread has (or ever had) any utility at all. :rolleyes:
 
AS for satellites, the limits of optics are well known. The hubble telescope is a rebuilt spy satellite airframe looking up rather than down. Works out to a few mm on the ground.

Of course, scanning the whole Indian Ocean at mm resolution would take a century. Targeted observations and scanning whole area at the same res....totally different things re feasibility.
 
well, if i remember my twilight zone episodes, the plane is either in some hangar somewhere never having taken off; or flew into a storm and emerged 150 years in the past.
 
This guy would know where the plane is.......
 

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well, if i remember my twilight zone episodes, the plane is either in some hangar somewhere never having taken off; or flew into a storm and emerged 150 years in the past.

Don't forget the demon ripping open the engine that only William Shatner can see ;)
 
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