Looking for the best match for my large room - wood stove with high efficiency...
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NHcpa
Minister of Fire
When cranked on the weekends, I burn a wheel barrow full a day. The stove area is a hangout place when the kids come home from their apts in NY, NJ and MA!
The SoapStone hybrid sounds best for me, but I have some concerns. It is 700 lbs, and I have to get that up a short flight of stairs. They said you can't remove the stone to lighten it.
Can one of these get it up a short flight of stairs?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-800-lb-Capacity-Appliance-Hand-Truck-HDA700/100329861
Can one of these get it up a short flight of stairs?
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-800-lb-Capacity-Appliance-Hand-Truck-HDA700/100329861
Grisu
Minister of Fire
See if you can rent a powered stair climbing hand truck for a few hours. Like this: http://www.powermate.info/powermate_handtruck_m-1.htm
Someone else here asked the local highschool football team for assistance in return for a donation.
You can look here for a certified sweep to do the install if you are not planning on doing it yourself: http://www.csia.org/search
Someone else here asked the local highschool football team for assistance in return for a donation.
You can look here for a certified sweep to do the install if you are not planning on doing it yourself: http://www.csia.org/search
I can't find even one video on YouTube that shows one of those hand-trucks climbing stairs.
Also I am pretty sure that the "800 lb" weight limit is only 250 lbs when climbing stairs.
Also I am pretty sure that the "800 lb" weight limit is only 250 lbs when climbing stairs.
Grisu
Minister of Fire
One in action:
Go to your local power/moving equipment rental place and ask. When I got my insert they used one of those.
colin.p
Burning Hunk
Whoops.
Uh, it's me who should be blushing. I wrote "Fireview", however, I actually meant Firelight. I had gone back to change it and noticed your reply. Thought no one would notice it.
Ashful
Minister of Fire
If you look the threads up re the PH, there are lots of examples of how people got them in their homes. We had no trouble here. We were able to drive a pick up truck with the stove in the bed up to the stairs, put 2x12 planks from the bed to the lip of the sliding glass door, and pushed it on a furniture dolly.
The top stones and the cast iron cook top are easily removed, if you are talking a Woodstock Progress Hybrid, (if they even come on the stove...they may be boxed separately, I don't remember) which takes a good bit of weight off.
The top stones and the cast iron cook top are easily removed, if you are talking a Woodstock Progress Hybrid, (if they even come on the stove...they may be boxed separately, I don't remember) which takes a good bit of weight off.
NectarNook
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Here's a photo of our Woodstock Progress Hybrid. I know there are a lot of grainy, crappy pictures online, so I made sure to take a lot as ours was going in.
And here's a link to what it looks like up close as it was being installed.
http://atheisthomesteader.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/wood-stove-porn/
And here's a link to what it looks like up close as it was being installed.
http://atheisthomesteader.wordpress.com/2013/11/04/wood-stove-porn/
NectarNook
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It took two of us to get this 700 pound behemoth into the house. Here's how we did it. :D
The biggest piece was about 500 pounds, but we lifted it onto a blanket and slid it up into the house on a homemade ramp of 2x10's. The stove went back together very quickly, with no issues.
Ok, I'm done beating the PH drum for now. Just thought you might like to see all that. Good luck with your future stove!
The biggest piece was about 500 pounds, but we lifted it onto a blanket and slid it up into the house on a homemade ramp of 2x10's. The stove went back together very quickly, with no issues.
Ok, I'm done beating the PH drum for now. Just thought you might like to see all that. Good luck with your future stove!
Bigg_Redd
Minister of Fire
If I had that much space to heat I'd go with a furnace. Probably coal or possibly wood/coal. Cutting that much wood is a part time job.
Charles1981
Minister of Fire
Wow, mind blown.
I don't think any stove is going to be actually sufficient, but as long as you know your goal is to just provide some supplemental heat and ambiance to that single area (which is bigger then my entire house!), I personally agree that the Progress Hybrid is by far and away the best looking stove and provides a good amount of heat and would fit that living space very well.
A Blaze King King would be even better, but again extremely utilitarian in appearance, and would stick out like a sore thumb...but it can't be beat for heat.
Saving money however on oil when the total square footage of the house is 7800sqft sounds a little to hopeful though.
I don't think any stove is going to be actually sufficient, but as long as you know your goal is to just provide some supplemental heat and ambiance to that single area (which is bigger then my entire house!), I personally agree that the Progress Hybrid is by far and away the best looking stove and provides a good amount of heat and would fit that living space very well.
A Blaze King King would be even better, but again extremely utilitarian in appearance, and would stick out like a sore thumb...but it can't be beat for heat.
Saving money however on oil when the total square footage of the house is 7800sqft sounds a little to hopeful though.
Ashful
Minister of Fire
These big house heating issues come up several times per year, nothing new. I suspect I'm dealing with a higher heat load than the OP, old house vs new, and similar space.
Bottom line, every BTU you add with wood is one less you need to extract from oil. If you can save $3500 heating with wood, so can the OP. The only difference is that he'll still need to buy some oil.
I went thru $3500 in oil this year, plus 5.5 cords wood. Without wood, I'd be into $7000 oil.
smokedragon
Minister of Fire
I don't think a single stove will get any part of that place "too hot" unless you put a chair against the viewing glass.
Joful is correct in how I am thinking. Any money I spend and burn on cord wood I save 3x that dollar amount in saved oil. It won't come close to eliminating buying oil, but it is still a few thousand dollars, and has the bonus of giving my son a choir of bringing in wood and the ambiance of the unit.
I would not put in a wood furnace - that is $20K I could put toward geothermal.
I am wondering though if I should spend the estimated $100K it would be to put in geothermal. I am predicting a 15 year payoff which is not too exciting, but if oil prices went up, then that would shorten. I called the gas company and they assured me that they have no plans of putting natural gas on the street in the coming years.
I would not put in a wood furnace - that is $20K I could put toward geothermal.
I am wondering though if I should spend the estimated $100K it would be to put in geothermal. I am predicting a 15 year payoff which is not too exciting, but if oil prices went up, then that would shorten. I called the gas company and they assured me that they have no plans of putting natural gas on the street in the coming years.
NectarNook - your photos are helpful, and your setup looks really nice.
I called the company and the guy said that the weight gets down to 700 lbs when you strip the top off it. Do you really think it is just 500 lbs?
I called the company and the guy said that the weight gets down to 700 lbs when you strip the top off it. Do you really think it is just 500 lbs?
NHcpa
Minister of Fire
Yeah. Thanks for telling me - I have friends who got free golf carts and never told me about the $7000 rebate so I never got one.
Even after the 30% tax credit, I still think it would cost me $90,000 to $100,000. I could probably get it down if I learned enough to be the general contractor but that seems pretty risky.
Even after the 30% tax credit, I still think it would cost me $90,000 to $100,000. I could probably get it down if I learned enough to be the general contractor but that seems pretty risky.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
I dont think you could make a huge dent in the heating bill no matter what stove you chose, unless its a big hot water gasser for the basement.
ID get the best looking insert you could find for that fireplace and fire it whenever you feel the urge. Heating a place that big with wood, would be a full time job and im not sure you would be up for that.
Best of luck
ID get the best looking insert you could find for that fireplace and fire it whenever you feel the urge. Heating a place that big with wood, would be a full time job and im not sure you would be up for that.
Best of luck
Bigg_Redd
Minister of Fire
I'm no HVAC expert but that seems very high considering you have existing ducts, eh?
If I burned four cord of wood that cost $800 total, then I would not be burning $2012 in oil. So I would save $1200 per year. The savings would be the same for me as anyone else, though yes, a smaller percentage of the total bill. So the stove would be free after about three years. Any system that can pay for itself in three years is well worth doing. Solar is generally a 20 year payoff where I live (just when the cells are obsolete and you need to buy new ones anyway, so really, solar almost never pays for itself where I live).
BTW, a lot of people get the math wrong. I saw a review of a pellet stove by a woman who was thrilled that she spend $1000 on pellets instead of $3200 on oil but she failed to match up the BTUs. She only needed to spend $1700 on oil to get the same heat as $1000 of pellets. True she is still ahead, but not by as much as she thought.
BTW, a lot of people get the math wrong. I saw a review of a pellet stove by a woman who was thrilled that she spend $1000 on pellets instead of $3200 on oil but she failed to match up the BTUs. She only needed to spend $1700 on oil to get the same heat as $1000 of pellets. True she is still ahead, but not by as much as she thought.
http://www.mass.gov/eea/pr-2013/discounts-for-high-efficiency-wood-pellet-boilers.html
"New wood pellet boilers typically cost more than $20,000 fully installed."
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