Ford F150 Ecoboost vs Ram 1500 Ecodiesel

I remember reading when the EcoDiesel came out the tow rating was ~9300 lbs compared to an Eco Boost 3.5L twin turbo having up to 11,300 configured correctly. I can tow 9300 with my '10 SCrew F150 with the ol' 5.4L. And I got these nice stickers to compliment my '10 XLT The other flavors usually give me the one finger salute

Personally did not like the ecoboost at all, especially when it shuts down in the rain..and at 51K window sticker really????...so I was looking for a 5.4 or the coyote 5.0....

I will not buy dodge, or gm/chevy..for my reasons alone.

Then I came across this beast and so far it has way exceeded my expectations....have maxed loaded with freshly bucked black birch, went up nasty dirt roads and off road hills(where I live) and never even felt it...also towed a trailer full of red oak bucked logs(would not imply this is an every day towing rig..7,000gvwr...but it pulls like a r***d ape)....no problems...getting avg of 14.5mpg... 6.2L 411 hp, 434lb ft torque, off road Fox shocks, 12" clearance, 7" wider wheel base, skid plates etc..etc....

Was getting about same mpg with my 2002 5.4L fx4screw...with significantly less ease and loads...

It is comfortable as well and the off road setting function is flat out awesome, never even had to lock out the rear diff, or even go into 4wd . On paved road...smooth and FAST.

If u can get a real good deal on a CLEAN used on.,,well worth it..new are untouchable, unless u have duckies to spare, got mine with 56k miles...clean in/out/under/engine



Scott

Raptors are sexy, nice rig Scott. I'd love to have a set of those wheels on my XLT

Jags said:

The Ram is reported to get close to 30. That is quite a percentage difference and more than takes up for the increase in fuel costs. I got no dog in this fight, just say'in.

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The advertised 30MPG I'm sure is on a 2WD short bed with gears so high the truck downshifts at the sight of a hill. I'm just adding facts about my current experience - 4WD extended cab V8 with moderate gearing (3.55 I think) getting 21MPG on the highway.

Before anyone can recommend a truck, they should be asking how you intend to use it and how much you are willing to pay! Sooo...what are yo going to do with it and what's your budget? Hauling, towing, miles per year, type of miles (backroads/highway), etc. One truck may fit your application better than the others. Most likely, it doesn't matter.....people will recommend what they like, and you will buy what you like....for no particular reason, sometimes even for bad reasons, people like what they like! But maybe there is a particular need which will point you more toward one than another.....

With a budget of $50k you can get a 2500 4wd with a cummins in a dodge.
I bought a regular cab 4wd 6 speed manual with Cummins. ac/pw/radio(Sirius)/installed rear sliding window/linexed bed/ cap will be in any day/has brake controller/receiver/jake brake.
I'm happy so far! I'm thinking resale will also be better than if I went Half ton. This is my first new one, but at least ten Cummins in the family. Many 7.3l, couple of duramax and many chevy old school 5.7l,6.2l,6.5L.
With your mileage I think the diesel option will pay for itself in mpg and maintenance savings and it will still be worth something at over 200,000 miles if you maintain it. If you need an automatic Transmission I would lean more toward a duramax with the Allison in the chevy/gmc. IMHO

Haven't heard the story yet til now about ecoboost shutting down in the rain but own two of them run like a top for me in any weather my 2012 f150 in my opinion is beast I've towed hauled raced never fails has the most towing and payload in its class and it gets better mpg than any other truck I've owned and I've owned them all I like my ford so much may go into sales when I retire.

Big papa said:

Haven't heard the story yet til now about ecoboost shutting down in the rain but own two of them run like a top for me in any weather my 2012 f150 in my opinion is beast I've towed hauled raced never fails has the most towing and payload in its class and it gets better mpg than any other truck I've owned and I've owned them all I like my ford so much may go into sales when I retire.

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here is one:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/05/16/ford-ecoboost-engine-problems/2168865/
run a search on google.
personally know of 2 in my area, both lose engine power in wet conditions..owners not happy.
glad yours is tops.
Scott

skfire said:

here is one
run a search on google.
personally know of 2 in my area, both lose engine power in wet conditions..owners nit happy.
glad your is tops.
Scott

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Yeah I've heard about this checked the bbb their were 400 people that were taking ford to court over this problem. Also decided to check chevy on the bbb and their were near 6000 people taking chevy to court over their well known and proven 5.3 liter so maybe ford will have to play some catsup in this area. Here check out this link may clear some of this up.http://www.torquenews.com/106/feds-drop-ford-f150-ecoboost-investigation. 525 complaints that nothing compared to the 500,000 they have sold to date

Fuel efficiency? It's like talking about who the tallest midget. If you are worried about fuel efficiency I would suggest not buying a truck.

A few years ago I compared a Hyundai Elantra to a VW Jetta TDI. The Jetta was twice the price of the Elantra. The Jetta would get around 50mpg. The Elantra 34mpg. I would need to drive the Jetta over a million miles to make up that purchase price difference. I have the spreadsheet somewhere, if anyone wants to see it. Not an apple to apple comparison, but worth noting when comparing the extra cost of a diesel vs a gas engine. I would love a diesel, but it doesn't make financial sense if just for a commuter vehicle.

tsquini said:

Fuel efficiency? It's like talking about who the tallest midget. If you are worried about fuel efficiency I would suggest not buying a truck.

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This makes no sense. Is it because it's called 'fuel efficiency' that you oppose it? What if we label it 'operating expenses'? If you don't have a truck, you need a truck, and all you're going to do is carry a bed full of furniture, a small to mid-sized boat, and don't care about 9k limitation to towing why shouldn't the cost to operate the vehicle as well as initial costs come into play?

Compare the 9k towing to something like say, an S10 with a 4.3L. Better mileage by a long shot as well as better performance.

Heard that the Canyon is to be receiving a diesel motor in the near future......no details
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rustynut said:

Heard that the Canyon is to be receiving a diesel motor in the near future......no details
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I am keeping my eye on this. I really like diesels. Right now I have a MB GLK250 with a diesel and am getting average of 35 MPG in a small SUV. This car replaced a similar size gas SUV which got about 24 MPG. Yes, diesel is more, but typically no more than 15% more around here.

Indeed, this is news to me. A nice 2.8L in a mid-size truck seems like a good ticket if it's getting 30mpg or better.

Good luck pulling this trailer w the dodge it would b 1000lbs overloaded my ford is 1000lbs under its rating. No motor failure pulling 10,300 lbs over 30 miles up and down the hills in pa

Big papa said:

Good luck pulling this trailer w the dodge it would b 1000lbs overloaded my ford is 1000lbs under its rating. No motor failure pulling 10,300 lbs over 30 miles up and down the hills in pa

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whereabouts in pa?

RSNovi said:

I am keeping my eye on this. I really like diesels. Right now I have a MB GLK250 with a diesel and am getting average of 35 MPG in a small SUV. This car replaced a similar size gas SUV which got about 24 MPG. Yes, diesel is more, but typically no more than 15% more around here.

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Right now diesel here is 3.97 and reg unleaded is 3.39. I miss a lot of things about my old 04 King Ranch CC 6.0 diesel but that motor sure ain't one of them

D8Chumley said:

Right now diesel here is 3.97 and reg unleaded is 3.39. I miss a lot of things about my old 04 King Ranch CC 6.0 diesel but that motor sure ain't one of them

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Exactly my point. Diesel always used to be cheaper than regular now it's higher than super. In order to justify the upgrade option cost of the motor and the more expensive fuel you'd have to put on a lot of miles to see the savings.

Big papa said:

Good luck pulling this trailer w the dodge it would b 1000lbs overloaded my ford is 1000lbs under its rating. No motor failure pulling 10,300 lbs over 30 miles up and down the hills in pa

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Well, that's your situation. If you had a 15k trailer the F150 wouldn't cover it. If you had a 35k trailer a Ram 3500 Diesel wouldn't cover it.

I don't think I've ever had to turn something down that my Dad's 1500 wouldn't tow. His 19ft boat, or a single axle load of mulch, or a u-haul trailer for some furniture.

If the argument is 'well mine can tow MORE, and see, I use it'.... so? An F250 will tow more than your EcoBost. A Chevy 2500 HD will tow more than that. A Ram 3500 Diesel will tow more than that. Does that mean we should all drive Ram HD 3500 Diesel dually's? 9k is a limitation. It's not best in class. Ok. If you're not going to hit it, why should it matter? If it does matter, get more truck.

MINE'S ARE BIGGER AND TOW WAAAAAAAAY MORE....YES BOTH OF THEM....SO THERE....
...AND I GET 36 GALLONS TO THE MILE......SO THERE AGAIN....

This thing can haul 4,615 CORDS of wood (oak).

Ur just jealous