Englander 17-VL efficiency

Not sure about the NC-13 or the 17VL but I emailed once about the NC30 and was told the efficiency was 72%. Emissions is 1.63 grams.

Dont get hung up on efficiency as a few percent efficiency your not going to notice and the efficiency number is usually for a flue measurement rather than how much heat is actually getting out into your room. Some stoves radiate heat much better than others. Some heavier stoves with more mass store heat and let it off later.

just since you asked though here are the numbers from when the unit was tested (EPA method 28 and epa method 5G3) the unit came in at 12,100 to 19,600 BTU/HR at 4.3 GPH emmissions , as for the rated efficiency , we selected to take "default" which means that we did not have an "actual" rating for the listing but with default it must rate at least at 63% for a non-cat, though it would be higher had we paid the extra money to have it listed that way. i suspect its actual would be in the low 70's had it been tested that way but without paying for that test we cannot list it as such.

we do a lot of co-advertising with Simpson Duravent so we ususally direct folks to them , however that said there are many other companies out there which make quality flue systems that will work just fine with our products.

opps i just noticed you had asked about the numbers on the 13-nc as well( didnt read the IP just the title when i posted the firest time)

the 13-ncmh (which is the current 13-nc series model) tested at 11,579 - 32,017 BTU/HR at 2.4 GPH again rated at default of 63% using the methods 28 and Method 5H.

Charles2 said:

Mike, a few more questions about the 17-VL:

1. Why does your company find it necessary to sell this model under 3 different brand names?

the line names were created to allow a larger market share by selling to different stores in the same areas

2. Are any rear or side heat shields available for it?

no, there is not heat shield setup for this model

3. I looked in its manual but did not see any guidance about reducing rear CTC with a wall heat shield. Is this approved?

the reason there is no allowance for additional clearance reduction is the unit already is allowed a tighter clearance as it sits than is allowed by the NFPA211 reductions chart ( table 12.6.2.1) which allows only a reduction of a percentage OR a minimum clearance defined by the type of protector for instance a 1/2 inch millboard with 1 inch ventilated air space in the 211 allows for a reduction of 66% OR reduction to 12 inches whichever is GREATEST of the two.
now since the 17-vl is already listed to be placed at 12 inches or less without adding wall protection you already are as close as you are allowed by the 211 to start out.

4. I'm not aware of any other Washington certified stove that costs less - are you? If not, what compromises did you make to achieve your price point? Safety, durability, reliability, ease of use, etc?

i wouldnt know of any less expensive Wash. state certified units that may be out there. as for compromises to hold a lower price point , the biggest thing is the elimination of the "dealer" service type of warranty. also the sheer numbers of stoves we produce and sell allows for smaller margins per stove.
its not really a compromise its just the way our buisness model is set up
5. Have you ever heard of anyone combining your least expensive stove with the most expensive chimney, which I am guessing would be ICC Excel?

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as for the chimney question , im sure its been done before as many installs are done to a flue system which may have already been installed when the stove was bopught (to replace another stove for instance. no reason to not do that just based on the price of the flue system

I bought an NC30 a year about a year ago after owning several "high end" stoves. I see no place where a compromise in quality was made. The stove is a tank and built to last. The units are built out of what looks like prepunched and prebent plate steel sections. Just imagine an assembly line of stoves being made in bulk.

The real question is why you would spend double or triple the cost on a plate steel stove from a different manufacturer? They are all made with about the same amount of steel and material cost, all have the same labor costs, all have the same insurance and other business costs. Many are also made in america and shipping costs are similar.

Perhaps a choice was made to sell a whole lot of low profit stoves instead of a small number of high profit stoves.

BrotherBart said:

Yeah Mike, where are the compromises? I have been looking for them on my 30-NC since 2006. Ya must have hidden them well.

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Must be the subpar customer service. Like that grumpy sales guy who rather surfs on the internet than helps his customers.

Charles2 said:

How much less?

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10" single wall pipe, 8" double wall: http://www.englanderstoves.com/manuals/17-VL.pdf (page 7)

Take the 13 over the 17 .. longer burn times.