Which should I do?
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Grisu
Minister of Fire
20 ft is a good height and 12" by 12" (?) a good size. Should not be much of a problem to drop the liner down there. Make sure it fits through the damper or you need to cut out a part.
I hate to buy twice, and if i spent more. What would i do with the open space where the flue door is?
Grisu
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brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Man, with such a large flue, and large fireplace opening, you could almost put in anything you want. Should be super easy too. Sounds like a well spent Saturday afternoon should put you in the warm n toasty ranks of the rest of us here!
I'm jealous, most of us have to fight tooth n nail for every fraction of an inch just to squeeze in a mid size stove!
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
I just noticed you are in Dandridge, you live in pretty country! I was in Jefferson city area a few weeks back with a friend, he is looking to relocate from NE Ohio to that area, somewhere near Cherokee or Douglas Lake...nice!
Could i frame it out with studs and use cement board as a base for the damper area. Why do i need a flue, can't i run the stove pipe through the damper, why do i have to go to top?
You want nothing combustable near the stove.....
Running a short pipe into the current chimney is called a slammer design. Most new EPA stoves require a good draft. Not only are slammer designs dangerous(think back draft of CO2 into your house) they also have crap for draft. Spend the 700 bucks and get a proper liner.
If you don't put a liner all the way up, you open yourself up to all sorts of problems...revolving around creosote formation and cleaning. if the liner only goes part way, then at the end of the liner, the flue cross-sectional area increases dramatically (this may even be enough to adversely affect draft), so that the flue gas stream from the stove will slow way down, giving it more time to cool on its way up & out. This encourages condensation of creosote on the interior surfaces of the flue. Creosote is bad. Creosote also must be cleaned out of the system from time to time. If you have not installed a liner, then every time the system needs cleaning, you'll have to pull the stove out of the fireplace to gain complete access. With a full liner, you can just sweep from the top right into the stove...easy peasy. Liner = better system performance, enhanced system safety, and ease of system maintenance.
Grisu
Minister of Fire
Not sure why you think that would be easier. With just 8" of damper width it should not be difficult to put a damper sealing steel plate in there. If you use studs you need to make sure you still have enough clearance to combustibles.
Much better draft, easier to clean, less likely to accumulate creosote and therefore be safer. I would not go without a liner. Compared with the savings you will have from burning wood it will be a minor expense.
Make sure your wood is dry! Otherwise, you will not have much fun with the 30NC or any other modern stove.
It was one of the selling attractions of the farm. It's the size of a cracker barrel fireplace, just not as deep.Man, with such a large flue, and large fireplace opening, you could almost put in anything you want. Should be super easy too. Sounds like a well spent Saturday afternoon should put you in the warm n toasty ranks of the rest of us here!
I'm jealous, most of us have to fight tooth n nail for every fraction of an inch just to squeeze in a mid size stove!
bobdog2o02
Minister of Fire
If long, lower temp burns would be the norm a BK King would be awesome there. An 8" liner should fit in that flie pretty easy.....
If you are gonna go with a budget stove, go with an Englander 30. From everything I've heard, it's the only way to go. Maybe even without being on a budget?
I would stay away from them...
There are too many good manufacturers out there. (Blaze King, Lopi, Quadra, Woodstock....) But for the cheapest highest rated your not going to find anything better then 30NC
bobdog2o02
Minister of Fire
Terrible, I have a 900SF ranch with the stove in the basement. As a primary heater I hlwas unknowingly overfiring it to keep the.house warm and developed cracks in 3 years. This was the US 2500 from tractor supply.
bobdog2o02
Minister of Fire
I would go to the Blaze King web site and do a dealer search for your area. A BK is going to be more expensive than other options listed but they are quality units with good warranties. A King has some serious heating capability.
brenndatomu
Minister of Fire
Huh? You admit overfiring it for 3 years and yet call 'em terrible?! Dang, with a review like that I may have to look at US stoves next time!
Pretty good apparently! I don't think there are too many "bad" stoves out there anymore. Just some "better" than others. Some work good for most people (NC30) some are "prettier", some have better customer service, some have better warranty, some are known to last a lifetime, some have super long burn times. My personal opinion, you just need to do some research, pick the one that works for you and go for it...
Edit: I am referring to "EPA" style stoves, not those $200 china cast iron POS things...
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