Has anyone actually seen an ALB or EAB? Yes, there are a few other beetles out there's but those two seem to be the ones that most cross-State firewood stuff is concerned about. I have a few colleagues who work at university level ag schools which cover invasive pests and outside of the pamphlets they produce, none of them have ever seen one but are quick to point out 'they could be out there.'
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i see the damage surrounding me atleast 3/4 of the ash trees here are dead or dying As well as many of the hemlocks
Are any biologists surveying the damage? Where are you located? Tapatalk doesn't give the full site info.
Warm_in_NH
Minister of Fire
What's killing the hemlock? I see a lot of dead in CT but in NH they're still on good shape and they're 50% of my trees.
firefighterjake
Minister of Fire
Yes biologists are monitoring the spread everywhere. The hemlocks are really sad there was an area of virgin hemlock forest right by us that had a beautiful canopy and now it is just decimated only about a third of the trees have survived. Luckily the long winter kicked the wooley adelgids ass and then pa sprayed really heavily so hopefully they got knocked back hard. And by the way i am in central pa
Good. I'm glad to hear that the situation is being monitored. I'm not trying to be casual about enforcement; it just seems that every time I see my people and ask them about it, they offer no new insight and can't even tell me how other places are handling invasive species.
Any wood that I have in my stacks have no sign of any bugs....no bore holes, tight bark, if any.....this also goes for any wood I bring camping....the buggy stuff goes in the firepit or burn barrel at home.....wife seems the think any bug in the bed of the truck will crawl it's way into the cab and crawl up her leg
Any wood that I have in my stacks have no sign of any bugs....no bore holes, tight bark, if any.....this also goes for any wood I bring camping....the buggy stuff goes in the firepit or burn barrel at home.....wife seems the think any bug in the bed of the truck will crawl it's way into the cab and crawl up her leg
The early stages of the eab you cant see signs sorry. And why take the risk just to save a few bucks. And how would you know if it had any of the fungus out there just by looking at it? I am sorry but it is irresponsible
I'm sure there are others who are worse than my one trip a year 20 miles over the state line with a 1/4 load of wood (at best) in a six foot bed to save a a couple of hundred dollars. Does this mean I'm kicked out of the club ?
Yes there are people who do a whole lot worse but that doesn't make it ok for you to do it. How would it work if you told a cop well that guy stole allot more than i did would that make it ok for you? In all honesty i doubt that if you really were only going 20 miles it would make any difference but it just shouldn't be done. And save a couple hundred bucks wow how much wood do you use for a camp fire?
$7-8 a bundle that last about, a little more than half an hour, for a weekend trip....start the fire (depending on temps) at 4-5pm....keep it going till 1am.....burns a fair amount of wood. The wood at the campground is usually small, and burns fast...more like the kindling that I use at home.
Swedishchef
Minister of Fire
My favorite camping spot sells hardwood. I was quite surprised to see that! I'd say about 10-12 pieces of decent size hardwood mixed with 5-7 pieces of spruce to help get it going. All for $5! I guess we were lucky, my kids are young and were in bed by 8:15 PM.
Andrew
Andrew
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Minister of Fire
Way I see it- they are trying to do the right thing. They don't know you well enough to make an exception to save you a little money. Everyone accuses them of trying to make some cash on this- I think we should try and look at their perspective. Their job is hard enough, and most that I know REALLY DO CARE about the forests, trails, and critters entrusted to their protection.
I'd think people would cut THEM some slack on this and help make their job easier.
jeromehdmc
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I live near Kansas City and guess what...we have the EAB here now. I have a tree line of around 20 nice trees that are dying now. I also have 3 large ones that shade the front of the house and will probably die also. This is all because someone unknowingly brought them here. I hope it was an accident not someone that didn't need anyone telling them they couldn't move their firewood. I am totally against unwarranted search but I also understand the need for stops like these, I am paying the price for it now.
xman23
Minister of Fire
Just about every day I would see cars being searched as I came across the GW bridge to NJ. That stopped years ago after they were sued for profiling and illegal searches.
I they will ask to search your vehicle, and you agree, what ever they find can be used against you. When they ask, you say only with probable cause. They then know, you know the law. Will they make up a phony cause, maybe but if it is, what they find won't stick. It becomes After all is said and done with a lot of $ and a good lawyer it becomes an illegal search. But don't have anything visible, because that becomes issue then they can search. Not from any experience with this. Just has always interested me how this works.
I they will ask to search your vehicle, and you agree, what ever they find can be used against you. When they ask, you say only with probable cause. They then know, you know the law. Will they make up a phony cause, maybe but if it is, what they find won't stick. It becomes After all is said and done with a lot of $ and a good lawyer it becomes an illegal search. But don't have anything visible, because that becomes issue then they can search. Not from any experience with this. Just has always interested me how this works.
RichVT
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This might be a good time to share my wood moving story. This happened years ago before any of these bugs were a concern.
I was helping a friend close up his family's summer camp in central New Hampshire for the season. They had tons of firewood and I got the bright idea of making up some bundles to take on some camping trips that we had planned for the fall.
Loaded the wood in his truck and drove back to the lower Hudson Valley in New York where we lived (by way of Vermont). First trip was to Cape Cod in MA. by way of CT. and possibly R.I. depending on the route that we took. Didn't burn much due to rain so it came back to N.Y. Next trip was to Lake George in northern N.Y. where we burned some and left the rest for the next campers.
If this wood had been infected, I could have single handedly infested almost the entire Northeast!
The friend ironically works for the USDA and was instrumental in their initial response to ALB. If you see a picture of an ALB it was probably taken by him.
So this is what they are trying to prevent but it still doesn't give them the right to search your car.
I was helping a friend close up his family's summer camp in central New Hampshire for the season. They had tons of firewood and I got the bright idea of making up some bundles to take on some camping trips that we had planned for the fall.
Loaded the wood in his truck and drove back to the lower Hudson Valley in New York where we lived (by way of Vermont). First trip was to Cape Cod in MA. by way of CT. and possibly R.I. depending on the route that we took. Didn't burn much due to rain so it came back to N.Y. Next trip was to Lake George in northern N.Y. where we burned some and left the rest for the next campers.
If this wood had been infected, I could have single handedly infested almost the entire Northeast!
The friend ironically works for the USDA and was instrumental in their initial response to ALB. If you see a picture of an ALB it was probably taken by him.
So this is what they are trying to prevent but it still doesn't give them the right to search your car.
Enzo's Dad
Feeling the Heat
Its actualyl a pretty serious problem, I have it in my yard and I have lost almost all of my Ash trees. The trees that are completely dead are scarred under the bark.
Others just have lost their leaf growth.
Others just have lost their leaf growth.
Enzo's Dad
Feeling the Heat
All I can say as that WITHIN the state of NY, it's not legal to move firewood more than 50 miles unless it undergoes a certain treatment protocol. Along with that, when firewood is moved, it needs a paperwork trail to explain the origin of the wood, etc..... Point is, since we can have state to state laws in this nation, be prepared and do your research when traveling interstate, or be prepared to deal with the consequences if you choose to be in violation.
Here's some info from NY http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/28722.html
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Here's some info from NY http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/28722.html
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smmjam12
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I split a grapple load of wood with a buddy of mine. We got it delivered to his house, he lives in NH, I live in MA about 35 miles from him. I have been goiing up to NH to cut up rounds and bring them back to MA by the pick up truck load on weekends. I always mak sure I can cover the load with my bed cover to ensure I dont get hassled by LE.
An attempt at redemption for my wrong doing.....I just turned down 3 dump truck loads of fresh cut Oak, 24 inch diameter, 3 foot length, that was dropped at my Cousins house.....it's about 10 miles over state line
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