Wood boiler wood consumption

lmholmes11 said:

I went with the ridgewood outdoor boiler.
Www.ridgewoodstove.net made here in Michigan I've done a ton of research and have hardly found any bad reviews

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Right of their homepage:

Quoting Representative Tammie Wilson speaking to the Associated Press, the Timesreported: “Everyone wants clean air. We just want to make sure that we can also heat our homes” Wilson continued: “Rather than fret over EPA’s computer – model – based warning about the dangers of inhaling soot from wood smoke, residents have more pressing concerns on their minds as the immediate risk of freezing when the mercury plunges.”

The Ridgewood Stove Outdoor Wood Furnaces uses a 500 gallon propane tank repurposed into a firebox. By using a tank, we save you approximately $900.00 in new material and labor compared to traditional Outdoor Wood Boilers.

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING .... RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

You in an open area without neighbors?

stee6043 said:

This may go without saying...but 10 cord is a LOT of wood. With 2 kids there is no way I could keep up with that. I'm barely able to process 4 throughout the year. Such is life I guess.

Good luck!

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Stee6043,

Didn't you run out of your 4 cord by January last year or were you short of 4 cord going into winter?

Last year was my largest consumption so far.
2800 sq ft house at 72 degrees
900 sq ft garage at 40-45

Nov 1 to Apr 20th =Just over 6 cord

Usually just under 5 cord

gg

Wow...

When the new EPA government regulations take effect in 2015 it will be impossible to purchase outdoor wood furnaces like ours any longer. Instead you will be required to buy products that are, for the most part, cheaply made and not of the best quality. Don't let this happen to you! Instead, order the best outdoor wood furnace on the market today. If you do your research you will learn that many of the new "high-efficency" stoves are poorly built – all glitz and lots of electronics. They have cut corners to get them quickly passed by the EPA. Remember, EPA does not test for quality, they only test the stack for impurities. At Ridgewood Stove we handcraft every item that leaves our shop. You can trust that you will receive a top-quality stove that is meant to last for decades into the future.



If you want a quality, heavy built outdoor wood furnace - the Ridgwood stove – that's exactly what we have. Buy now, before your only choice is an EPA certified, but quality minimized competitor stove.

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And my vote is in the 10-15 cord range. Possibly more, but no less then 10. Ran my Central Boiler 6048 for 7 years and that was typical. I hope this poorly built EKO60 I'm dropping in eats half as much.

Noticed that that ridge wood has a fairly low water capacity. that thing is going to be on and off every 5 minutes.

I just had a Ridgewood delivered 2 weeks ago. Have not started installing yet.

lmholmes11 said:

Cool. What model did you get? I'm getting the 7500.

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I went with the 6000, I am looking forward to getting it up and running.

Here in Tennessee we are still 6 or so weeks from fire building season.

This is from their website as well:

"When the new EPA government regulations take effect in 2015 it will be impossible to purchase outdoor wood furnaces like ours any longer. Instead you will be required to buy products that are, for the most part, cheaply made and not of the best quality. Don't let this happen to you! Instead, order the best outdoor wood furnace on the market today. If you do your research you will learn that many of the new "high-efficency" stoves are poorly built – all glitz and lots of electronics. They have cut corners to get them quickly passed by the EPA."

Enough said.............. WOW, conventional design will kill the industry. As with most OWB manufacturers no one wants to actually do anything to help themselves.

Black Eye for the wood-burners who want to burn wood w/o ticking people off.

TS

EDIT: trust me I'm not a fan of the EPA and not suggesting that their tests and methods are actually of much use.

When the new EPA government regulations take effect in 2015 it will be impossible to purchase outdoor wood furnaces like ours any longer. Instead you will be required to buy products that are, for the most part, cheaply made and not of the best quality. Don't let this happen to you! Instead, order the best outdoor wood furnace on the market today

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.the above..also from their site
... required to buy products that are, for the most part cheaply made?????
r u kidding me???????[/QUOTE]

....boiler man beat me to the punch

.....no wonder the EPA is justifying their bull biscuits.....idiocies such as these fuel the fire...literally...

lmholmes11 said:

If you guys don't mind me asking, how do you know these are cheaply made piles of crap?? Have you seen them in person?

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These guys are quoting the manufacturer of the boiler you just bought. The manufacturer you selected is using slander tactics right on their webpage to make generalities about their competition.

I have to be honest. If this company you are buying from refuses to comply with the mandatory regs coming NEXT YEAR, what good do you think that "10 year warranty" will be when they are out of business since they will have no product to sell?

ac

If they won't pass regs, they don't burn clean and your fuel is literally going up the chimney. They have to be built with the latest technology to pass the epa.

lmholmes11 said:

If you guys don't mind me asking, how do you know these are cheaply made piles of crap?? Have you seen them in person?

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it can be well made and still be a piece of crap. just be ready to feed it lots of wood. who has the video link to the guy thats holds a torch to the stack on his OWB?
be prepared to hook it up as soon as its delivered in order to make use of thier 90 day 100% money back gaurantee. open the house windows and give a week to run with a decent heat load and see how much wood you are going through. then make up some factor that you can multiply for when it gets cold. and picture yourself loading the thing out in the elements.
CHOO-CHOO

When they( the company you're buying from) generalize and say the EPA compliant OWB's are poorly built and basically a piece of junk......It doesn't look very professional. When selling any products, you go on your strong points and why your product is better than most. BTW, I've seen EPA compliant OWB's. They're as solidly built as any other. But they don't/won't burn as clean as an indoor gasser.

As you're figuring out this BB is not a big fan of OWB's. The OWB market has put a serious black eye on the wood burning crowd. The wood boiler most of us use are generalized as gasser's. Highly efficient wood burning appliances. No smoke, low emissions, less wood consumption,etc.

This is a good group on this BB. Boiler snobs maybe? But ones that are well versed in wood burning. Ask more questions, we'll be nice.

I understand the attractive qualities of an OWB. Simple to install, outside location, no need for seasoned wood, etc. But you're proably looking at a 10 yr life span, at best. A decent indoor gasser(which you can put in an outside shed) will be about the same price and burn 30% to 40% less wood. And will not smoke, create creosote, etc. And these units should be 20 plus yr units.

lmholmes11 said:

If you guys don't mind me asking, how do you know these are cheaply made piles of crap?? Have you seen them in person?

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Well, they do seem to tout their use of recycled propane tanks, to make them cheaper.

And their prices seem to be on the cheap side - actually cheapness seems to be their main selling point.

I looked for more info on their site, like a cutaway drawing or cross section illustration, to show how they're made. Didn't see one, but the words on it leads me to believe it is just an 'ordinary' water jacketed boiler. Which is about the worst there is for heat transfer & burn efficiency. I know, I had one of what sounds like the same inherent construction for 17 years - although it was an indoor boiler. Having the combustion chamber surrounded by water is not good design for efficiency - it is in effect water cooling the fire. Does it have fire or heat exchange tubes? If not most of the heat will most likely pass directly to the chimney before it gets absorbed by the water. Throw wood that isn't dry into the equation, and it will be lots worse.

lmholmes11 said:

I realize they are quoting them. They are going to comply with the new EPA regs. When they say its the last chance to buy these stoves, they mean its the last chance to buy the non EPA model because they are starting to make the new EPA versions starting in January

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Instead you will be required to buy products that are, for the most part, cheaply made and not of the best quality.

So, they are in effect saying ahead of time that their own new builds (if indeed they are going to build EPA versions) will be cheaply made & not of the best quality.

BTW, I would also not use wrapped pipe for undergound as I think they are selling. More heat wasted.

To answer your original question, 3 - 4 cord of lower quality wood for heat and DHW year round, radiant, 2100 sf + 1100 sf basement. Burning the lower quality stuff first. Ct.

The combustion temp has to get up over 1200 F to completely burn all the tars, creosote, carbon particulates, methanols ... That's what the downdraft gasifiers do. Save your money for something that is suitable for the work required. You are getting good advice to "RUN AWAY".

goosegunner said:

Stee6043,

Didn't you run out of your 4 cord by January last year or were you short of 4 cord going into winter?

Last year was my largest consumption so far.
2800 sq ft house at 72 degrees
900 sq ft garage at 40-45

Nov 1 to Apr 20th =Just over 6 cord

Usually just under 5 cord

gg

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I believe I had just over 2 cord put up last year. Way short of my normal year. Reference the kids comment. This year will be short for me again but next year I should be back to full strength. I don't know who decided to keep having babies around here.

lmholmes11 said:

I know there are a lot of variables on this topic but id like to hear where you live, sq ft heating and how many cord you go through in a season.

I'm in Northern Michigan and I'm looking at outside wood boilers. I loved my father in laws and how it heated.

My house is 2100 sq ft main floor and 2100 in the basement (not heating right away).

Thanks all!

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I heat with a Woodstock progress hybrid.. but one of my co-workers heats with an OWB ( ~5 years old) here in southern NH. He says he uses 16 chords a year. He has his own property, cuts logs in 3 foot lengths, does not split, and likes them green so they smolder.

To me it sounds like a lot ( I used about 4 chords a a year back when I had a smoke dragon) , but I understand many with an OWB use lots of wood. How do you guys do it who use so little?

Basically having storage, which acts like a battery. Some call it batch burning. When I start a fire it runs pretty much wide open until wood is gone. Plus wood is seasoned at least one yr. Preferably two yrs is better.