which wood insert for 25' ceiling masonry fireplace open to 2nd floor 4000sqft hoome

jimbob240 · Sep 15, 2014

looking to keep my wife warmer in addition to running some. Just don't want to pay to heat the house to 76 from 70 and would like a fireplace insert to make up for the difference.

wife likes the look of the fpx large flush hybrid-fyre insert. (manufacturer says 2500sqft)

I think that a quad 5100i would be better though. (manufacturer says 3100sq ft)

thoughts? is the quad that much better at heat output? or would the fpx do ok?

thanks.

aussiedog3 · Sep 15, 2014

Does BlazeKing make a King insert?

Grisu · Sep 15, 2014

The sqft ratings are completely up to the manufacturer and depend on so many factors (like insulation, climate, quality of wood) that it is better to not rely on them. Instead look for the size of the firebox as a bigger firebox means you can burn more wood which will put out more heat. Both units you are looking at have a firebox ~3 cu ft and should therefore give you about the same amount of heat. Problem with a flush insert is that it will rely more on the blower to get the heat out than an insert that protrudes on the hearth. When you say 4000 sqft, is that the floor the fireplace is on and anything above or the whole house? Is the insert just for supplemental heat? Fireplace on an interior or exterior wall? What are the dimensions (height, width, depth, depth of hearth)? What is the diameter of the flue? You will need to get a 6" liner down there.

BrotherBart · Sep 15, 2014

aussiedog3 said:
Does BlazeKing make a King insert?

Nope. The Princess Insert or the Briarwood is it.

jimbob240 · Sep 15, 2014

Grisu said:
The sqft ratings are completely up to the manufacturer and depend on so many factors (like insulation, climate, quality of wood) that it is better to not rely on them. Instead look for the size of the firebox as a bigger firebox means you can burn more wood which will put out more heat. Both units you are looking at have a firebox ~3 cu ft and should therefore give you about the same amount of heat. Problem with a flush insert is that it will rely more on the blower to get the heat out than an insert that protrudes on the hearth. When you say 4000 sqft, is that the floor the fireplace is on and anything above or the whole house? Is the insert just for supplemental heat? Fireplace on an interior or exterior wall? What are the dimensions (height, width, depth, depth of hearth)? What is the diameter of the flue? You will need to get a 6" liner down there.

central massive fireplace that will outlast the pyramids, with 25' vaulted ceiling open to upstairs bedrooms. the whole house is actually 5000 sq ft but this is the central area with kitchen adjacent and bedrooms right upstairs. I have a ceiling fan. fireplace is in the middle of the house.

43"w x 29.5" h can't remember depth but pretty deep. flue is pretty big. 6" no prob.

Grisu · Sep 15, 2014

aussiedog3 said:
Does BlazeKing make a King insert?

That would need to be a mighty big fireplace. For XL inserts look at the Kuma Sequoia and the Buck 91. Another XL option is the Hearthstone Equinox as a hearth-mounted stove.

jimbob240 · Sep 15, 2014

Grisu said:
That would need to be a mighty big fireplace. For XL inserts look at the Kuma Sequoia and the Buck 91. Another XL option is the Hearthstone Equinox as a hearth-mounted stove.

that kuma sequoia look sweet! reviews are great too! thanks for the tip.

bholler · Sep 15, 2014

Square footage is only a small part you have massive cubic footage you will need a massive stove.

Ram 1500 with an axe... · Sep 15, 2014

If your wife likes that, your a lucky man, keep looking and keep her happy, it's a great time being able to buy something special together.... Oh got wood?......

Grisu · Sep 15, 2014

jimbob240 said:
that kuma sequoia look sweet! reviews are great too! thanks for the tip.

Yep, you will need something as big as the Sequoia unless your house is really super insulated. That big boy will need an 8" liner; make sure that fits down the flue. Insulating the liner is also highly recommended. Whoever does the install, insist on adding a block-off plate: https://www.hearth.com/talk/wiki/make-a-damper-sealing-block-off-plate/

You will need plenty of dry wood. If you burn regularly, 4 to 6 cords would be my guess. Dry means the wood has been split and stacked in a sunny and windy spot for one to three years depending on the species. If you want to buy "seasoned" wood, be there during the delivery, split a few pieces lengthwise and check the fresh surface with a moisture meter. Below 20% is the goal, 20% to 25% is burnable, everything above is still green and needs to be stacked again.

Keep coming back with any questions or to learn more about proper operation of a modern, EPA-approved stove. We are happy to help.

weatherguy · Sep 16, 2014

jimbob240 said:
central massive fireplace that will outlast the pyramids, with 25' vaulted ceiling open to upstairs bedrooms. the whole house is actually 5000 sq ft but this is the central area with kitchen adjacent and bedrooms right upstairs. I have a ceiling fan. fireplace is in the middle of the house.

43"w x 29.5" h can't remember depth but pretty deep. flue is pretty big. 6" no prob.

That the same size as I have but I'm only heating 2800 sf. Mines in the middle too. I went with a progress hybrid as a hearth mount since I could only fit a 6 inch liner, otherwise I'd have the Kuma.

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