Blaze King placement: insert vs basement freestanding

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David P

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Nov 27, 2014
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Michigan
Looking to purchase a Blaze King for our home and am a bit undecided between the Princess freestanding and the Princess insert. I would appreciate additional input.

House: (see attachment for layout) Very typical 1970s-ish 1500 square foot brick ranch with uninsulated basement under every square foot. We moved in this year and so far the house seems to be adequately insulated but improvement could be made in the attic.

Placement optons:

1) Existing gas log fireplace with masonry chimney. Interior dimensions of the chimney at the peak are 10" x 10". Fireplace is located in the family room (see attachment) where "12ft" has been circled.

2) Basement: There is a room in the basement that lies just below the living room on the attached diagram. Two walls are poured concrete and uninsulated, one is drywalled where the stairs come down to the basement and there is an insulated wall with a doorway very close to the bottom of the basement stairs. This room has a chimney that is accessible via two 6" pipes which have been cut into the poured concrete wall. Both are currently capped. Chimney dimensions at the peak (interior again) are approximately 6.5" X 10.5".

My existing system: 7/8 year old natural gas forced air system. My lovely and talented is a bit of a miser and keeps the heat at 64, which we all feel is too cool. Typical gas/electric bills increase by around $125 (total) during the heating months. I'm in MI, so that would basically start in October and go through April with December-March being the coldest. Our bills aren't really that high but a dollar saved.... The other ingredient to this part of my decision is that we would keep the house warmer with a wood stove (we were always comfortable in the 67-69 range).

Family room placement (#1 above): I could have the Princess insert installed here but I am concerned about whether the heat would be able to make it out of this room without a great deal of effort with fans, etc. As you can see from the diagram, there is a fairly long hallway and within the hallway are two headers which in my noviced eye would seem to act as baffles, slowing the transfer of the warm air to the rest of the house. I've thought about putting an inline fan in one of the heat registers with the idea that this would push cool air into the room thereby helpin the warm air out. I just don't know about the lengthy hallway and the rest of the floor plan being one that is more segregated.

Basement placement: (#2) I could put a freestanding Princess in the basement and keep the door open at the top of the stairs where the heat would hopefully rise. I believe I can direct the heat up there without great difficulty by hanging some plastic at the doorway leading into the stove room so that the heat leaves the stove room, hits the plastic and rises upstairs.

I think that should give you a decent picture but please feel free to ask any questions that you feel are relevant.
 

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Option #3... Put it in the living room.
 
Your essentially trying to heat 3000 sf if you put one in the basement never mind the concrete robbing/absorbing some of that heat. I had the princess insert and it provides plenty of heat. You could figure out how to move it around once you get it.
I would go with option 3 and find a spot for the freestander upstairs.
 
If you insulate the basement properly, it could go there, otherwise, you'll be wasting most of the heat. If you go with option 1, you'll be hot in one room and the rest will be from cool to cold.
Sorry, I have to agree with the others.
 
If you want to successfully heat the house option #3 is the way to do it. The basement might work but heating from an uninstalled basement is always tough. If you're set on heating from the basement I would oversize the stove.(something bigger than a Princess) I feel a BK stove isn't the best stove for a basement type install. A BK stove excels at burning wood on a lower setting, if you have to burn it high enough to heat from the basement you're loosing out on the benefit of a cat stove.(a stove that burns long and clean on a low burn)
 
Not knowing exactly what your basement and stairs look like I would say go insert on main floor. Keep that thing humming 24/7 on low to medium during winter months and I doubt you will be cold anywhere upstairs. Especially if your used to 64. Leave bedroom doors open. If your not using basement no sense in wasting anymore btus then Is necessary to keep your pipes from freezing.
 
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If you do decide to install it in the basement keep in mind that you want need to install some type of floor registers to act as "cold air returns" for the heat to rise up the stairs the cold air has to go down. Good air circulation is going to be key if you plan on having it in the basement. I'm heating 2000 square feet this way. The 1st winter it was 80F+ down stairs in the stove room and 62F - 64F upstairs. Adding in registers the 2nd winter made it go to 74F downstairs and 70F upstairs.
 
Thanks for the comments! I would like to clarify the size of the basement room, in case it makes a difference in your opinions. This room is only 12' x 16' with the doorway right next to the bottom of the stairs, which are enclosed. One wall is shared with the stairs enclosure and the other is insulated, which should help to keep the heat out of the rest of the basement, especially if I hang heavy plastic as well. I'm not sure if this changes your opinion of the basement being a bad spot or not but I was surprised that the response was a pretty resounding no. As I said, I'm a novice and here to learn.

Rdust-thanks for the comment about BK stoves perhaps not being the best for my application (with basement placement, anyway). One of the primary reasons for them being at the top of my list is the primary strength you listed, burning a long time on low.
 
If you do decide to install it in the basement keep in mind that you want need to install some type of floor registers to act as "cold air returns" for the heat to rise up the stairs the cold air has to go down. Good air circulation is going to be key if you plan on having it in the basement. I'm heating 2000 square feet this way. The 1st winter it was 80F+ down stairs in the stove room and 62F - 64F upstairs. Adding in registers the 2nd winter made it go to 74F downstairs and 70F upstairs.

I've been giving airflow considerable thought lately and doing lots of reading about the best ways to move it around. Since the living room is immediately above the potential basement location, I could add a register right above the stove which should help somewhat. I've also been toying with the idea of using the cold air returns to pull air towards the stove. I'm not sure of the most efficient way to do this but since the furnace would be in the same room as the stove I wondered about teeing into the cold air return in the furnace room with a round section of pipe with a inline fan. This would pull cold air through the cold air return and direct it towards the stove, hopefully pulling warm air upstairs at the same time. No idea whether this would work or not but it's an idea that I wanted to look into more.

If I go with the insert, I have thought about putting an inline fan in the register in the family room with the same thought-that it would pull cool air from other areas of the house into the family room and towards the heat source while hopefully pulling warm air from the room.
 
the general rule of thumb is it is easier to move cold air than warm air. if you can move the cold air towards where the stove is it will be replaced by warm air from the stove. that being said, the big reason people suggest away from the basement installation is because its that much more space to heat before the heat moves up into your living area. if you do happen to put it down stairs upsize the stove.
 
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