Outright Ban On Anything Wood In Utah! Pellets/Cord Wood/Fireplaces
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SmokeyCity
Feeling the Heat
Just have everyone get Blake Kings and there will be no smoke or smell coming out of the chimney - they wont even know you are burning!
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
Or even anything that meets current standards. You've still got a huge percentage burning in fireplaces and smoke dragons.
The proposed seasonal wood burn amendment would ban the use of solid fuel in open fireplaces and wood/coal stoves from Oct.1 to March 15.
Fake coal burner
Feeling the Heat
Good you probley havent lived here fo 70 + years Had brick factory 1 block a way burning coal black soot sticks to your nose less people. I switched from coal to wood finiley gas . We are in a bowl with the mountains all around.Smog sets low in the vallys I have seen 60 days or more with thick stuff. Every body is not happy in some way or anther . Utah is the dumping grounds for nucluar wast and was clemical war fare that they burned for severl years.
xman23
Minister of Fire
bioman
Feeling the Heat
Highbeam
Minister of Fire
Sounds like coal since coal is pretty solid eh?
I sent plenty of spent waste and reactors up the Columbia to Hanford in WA.
Yeah, after 24 years of mining it I can attest to that. I can also attest to the fact that it's not as solid as the rock above it.
bsruther
Minister of Fire
I could be wrong, but I get the feeling that you would love to see Utah pass this law.
Just crazy talk.
Renewable energy source. It's narrow minded people who condem wood burning and ignore other pollution sources.
Wood is one of the only renewable Heat producing energy sources. Nuclear can be reprocessed 60 times.
It could be "When we run out of Coal & Oil & Gas we will need all the wood we can get"
Renewable energy source. It's narrow minded people who condem wood burning and ignore other pollution sources.
Wood is one of the only renewable Heat producing energy sources. Nuclear can be reprocessed 60 times.
It could be "When we run out of Coal & Oil & Gas we will need all the wood we can get"
bsruther, I have no stake in that race, though I agree with BKVP that open burning, fireplaces and smoke dragons should be the first step, not an outright ban. There may still be days where they have no choice but to stop all burning, but that should be indexed to air quality and not arbitrary. Not sure how bad it is there as I have never tracked their level of pollution and never been there in winter.
Ironically the last time I was in SLC was for the HPBA show with several stoves burning outdoors at the time. This was last March and the air was clear.
Ironically the last time I was in SLC was for the HPBA show with several stoves burning outdoors at the time. This was last March and the air was clear.
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bsruther
Minister of Fire
Having a stake in the race has nothing to do with whether or not you'd like to see the law passed. The correct answer would be either yes or no, but thanks for the response.
In the area they are talking about they admit that 60% of the air pollution is from vehicles 11% from industry and 5% is from wood burning.
They have excellent brews well above 3.2. I found that out last spring.
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bsruther
Minister of Fire
So then, what are you in favor of having them pass? You said "smoke dragons should be the first step". Would you like to see the "smoke dragons" banned?
Not banned, but more like what we have here, indexed to the degree of pollution. Stage 1 locally means EPA 2 and pellet stoves only, no fireplace, pre-EPA stoves, or open burning. Stage 2 means no burning at all unless it is the sole source of heat. If there is no inversion and a good system is blowing through, why should any stove be banned? To encourage clean burning they could penalize the worst offenders if necessary based on the length of time and opacity of smoke. It also appears they might consider adopting CA standards for their cars if this is a major contributor to their air pollution. More aggressive filtration on the rest of local industry would also help. Again, this is hypothetical. The only information I have on their problem has come through this thread.
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What Salt Lake needs is an opacity enforcement program. Industry met with elected officials and ADEC in Fairbanks to encourage an opacity rule rather than a grams per hour rule. (And they still passed a 2.5 gr/hr max. for new appliances.)
Let's face it, if it smokes, it should not smoke and needs to be corrected through repair, proper burning habits, dry fuel, etc. Even clean burning EPA stoves can burn dirty when not used correctly or burning wet fuel or trash.
The enforcement based on opacity means you can burn anything you like so long as it does not smoke. There are times set aside for start up, refueling and even some number of minutes (6) to not be more than a specified amount opacity.
Then, depending upon projected air quality models, regional air staff can declare specific levels for each day or period of time.
This helps any outright bans. And we need to encourage incentives for stove change out programs.
If you live in the area covered by this proposed ban, please send me a pm. We will need to get a force together to participate in at least one if not more of the public hearings. I will be flying down to provide testimony for the Tooele and Salt Lake events.
Let's get active to protect citizens' rights to burn clean!
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