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@Tennman

Yeah, I don't want to change the feel of the house too much, and I agree, we're never going to get it completely perfect in terms of efficiency.

I started looking at the biomass' to understand them better. Do you have your storage tanks in the house itself?

@pdf27

Your assessment of the scenario is accurate.

We've done the easy stuff (except laying down the vapour barrier on the crawlspace floor, which we will be doing.

I don't want to drastically change the heating of the stone, since the house has been here 3 times longer than I have.

I have the time to harvest it, I'm still youngish. My brother cuts wood for his wood stove, my father who is in his 70s lives with him and keeps the stove burning pretty much 24x7. So, I get his stories.

I've considered turning a building I have into a boiler room/wood store for this very purpose. It would require roughly 60' of Thermopex/Logstor.

I'd need to get someone to drill through my foundation and seal it up.

I 100% plan on keeping the oil for a backup. I like oil heat to be honest, it's fast and it is a known quantity.

Getting it second hand is starting to look like the option to go with.
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If I can add more information;

When I burned softwood and soft wood and coal only- I burned more than a face cord
of a split and unsplit Hemlock slab wood a day and The house being one floor with
partial crawl space was still cold and Yellow Pine or fir was no different.

I will tell you that unless your wood pile is absolutely dry it will burn like crap even with
a forced draft(wide open ash pit door).

Unless you buy a Garn Boiler with a large unpressurised water storage design
to be installed in the interior space if you have room for one you will lose out with
efficiency problems.

The thing is you only need to heat a very small amount of water using a coal stoker and a
coal stoker furnace can employ a heat exchanger in furnace plenum to get you hot water
in the heating season months.

I chose a wood and coal boiler rather than a Vanwert coal stoker which was a HUGE mistake as the
installed price for the wood and coal boiler was $4000.00 USD and the coal stoker installed
price was $5000.00-That was my second mistake after making the first mistake of buying
this house.

I have burning wood since 1982 and I will not be burning anymore wood.

My old house is like yours poorly insulated, leaks heat like a colander.
I cannot afford to do upgrades due to my low income/pension.

I owned and used a Timberwolf TW5-FC wood splitter with a log lift and table grate
for many years after getting rid of a 20 ton Montgomery Ward splitter/junk.
I sold it this summer and received every penny I asked for it.

I blocked up the hardwood chunks to 12 inch lengths as it was much easier to
handle and fill the boiler.

I burned coal when it was really cold her in the finger lakes and every year it has been
difficult to maintain a good fire with wood due to the altitude where I live.

I moved wood with a sled and or wheel barrow to the house for the boiler
for years.

I burned softwood being hemlock slab wood for years, I also burned hardwood for
years and this year is the last year I will be burning firewood as I am 60 years old
and I am tired of it and the firewood cost around here is obscene and decent
straight log length firewood is next to impossible due to my location.


Even buying the smallest Keystoker coal furnace (the A 80) you will save money and can run
an insulated hot air duct and cold air ducts underground. many people insulate piping
and duct runs underground.

You will be able to power it with generator as long as you have it wired up to plug into
an outlet rather than hard wired which is legal in the electrical codes.


As I mentioned previously coal heat is much more efficient and cost effective and you
can purchase anthracite coal in Canada and the furnaces and boilers are UL approved.

These keystoker furnaces and boilers are easy to install and maintain and service.

The Portage and Main Coal Stokers are extremely expensive but they are Canadian Made.

I made two mistakes thirty six years ago (when I was 23 years old)buying this freakenkstein
school house turned into a home was the first one; and the second one four years later was
not buying the Van Wert Anthratherm coal stoker as could have eliminated my oil bill completely
and not been a slave to my night rate electric water heater that I had changed to a propane water heater.

You will see an immediate payback the first month as your monthly oil bill will become zero and you can plan
to use the oil only when you are away on vacation if you take them.

I can and will tell you that cutting wood gets old very very quickly and unless you hire some one to come
in and clear cut 4 acres at a time using a log skidder and a firewood processor for the logs and tops you will
spend a huge amount of time making firewood AND you will need twice as much softwood firewqod as you think
you will burn especially in your latitude.

Uless you can take advantage of water storage using a Garn High efficiency boiler which will require you to
make more than one fire per day with the softwood you will lose out.

I did not listen to my father in law or spouse as I was still able to do many physical things involving heavy
labor at 23 years old, and I should have spent the extra money and put in a coal stoker.


Softwood firewood is a no sum gain business even if you have the land and access to the wood.

You can buy coal locally and save money doing it even with a Keystoker coal stove too.


I want to help you and I hope my experience is proof enough to you.
 
Not everybody can buy coal locally.

I live 10 minutes away from one of the most famous historic coal mining towns in the world and I can't buy it.
 
Leon: When I burned softwood and soft wood and coal only- I burned more than a face cord
of a split and unsplit Hemlock slab wood a day and The house being one floor with
partial crawl space was still cold and Yellow Pine or fir was no different.

I will tell you that unless your wood pile is absolutely dry it will burn like crap even witha forced draft(wide open ash pit door).
Leon, it's unfortunate you had such a poor experience with soft wood, and I only can believe that is related to a very inefficient type of wood burning appliance you had and either/both a very large heated space and/or very poor insulation. Not sure exactly where you are, but since you talk about coal I will assume your location is not in a very cold climate zone. My 1956 built home is 1500 sq ft main level and 1500 sq ft basement walkout and is in northern Minnesota, a very cold climate, into the -20's to -40's F and long periods in the -10's to 0F range. Plus plenty of northwesterly winds blowing down from our friendly Canada neighbor.

And I burn near 100% softwood, aspen (popple) and pine, very dry. Total wood burned the whole season (often starting in September and ending in late May) is 4 full cords (12 face cords), plus a little backup electric heat when we are gone and to keep the walkout about 55F. That electric heat in btu content amounts to one more full cord of aspen/popple. I guess for you the wood I burn would be 12 days of burning, for me it is 9 months of burning. This softwood is burned in a wood stove bought in 1990 which is in our living room.

My only point is that your experience probably is about the exact opposite of mine. I won't doubt what you say, as I am sure it is related to your unique situation and frustration. My experience is the opposite, the $$ savings have been huge from the 24 years of wood burning, all from our woods. My wife and I would not change a thing if we had a do-over.
 
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We know roughly how much wood the OP will be burning a year - from the 900 or so gallons a year of oil, that's roughly 5 cords of wood total (dependent on seasoning and density). A face cord of wood a day is only happening in a horrendously inefficient boiler with a dodgy install in his case.
 
Hello maple1, Did Scotia coal go bankrupt after the cave in 1953-I think it was in 1953 anyway

I bought a huge amount of slab wood when I had the chance in 1981-83 and it was
sold by the thrown cord to me by the small sawmill mill owner.

With it being green hemlock it burned hot quickly and I knew I was
carrying in lot of wood.sure seemed like face cord a day some times-i never stacked it.

I know I had almost 35 thrown cord of hemlock out back. the pile went from the back corner
to almost the property line from what I remember.
 
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