Englander 25-IP
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SteveB
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I'm sorry as well. I should have at least answered the question instead of wanting to see the thing.
J-takemans buddy bought one. He has seen it first hand.
That's the only person I have heard of yet.
That's the only person I have heard of yet.
jtakeman
Minister of Fire
Oops! Missed this thread. Yep a friend down the road from me wanted a stove. I told him about the Englanders and AM/FM energy. I told him to look at the 25 EP. He jumped the gun and grabbed one from HD just after Thanksgiving. I helped him set it up. Seems to be a nice little stove. Only issue we say was it didn't blow a lot of hot air. He called Englander tech service and got it to throw more heat, But we both though it wasn't its full potential.
The draw back to this stove is not having convection tubes to convect as much heat as possible into the room. The box type heat exchanger isn't all its cracked up to be. Might be cheaper to make, But lacks area to absorb and transfer heat. So we added heat sinks to the top of the heat exchanger box. It increased the output, But still doesn't offer as much as a stove with tubes or an accordion type heat exchanger. There is a thread where someone added(posted picture) a heat sink to a 10 cpm. He also saw an improvement in convection temps.
I would look more at the 25EP which has a tube type heatexchanger. Unless you can steal a 25IP at a super low price.
The draw back to this stove is not having convection tubes to convect as much heat as possible into the room. The box type heat exchanger isn't all its cracked up to be. Might be cheaper to make, But lacks area to absorb and transfer heat. So we added heat sinks to the top of the heat exchanger box. It increased the output, But still doesn't offer as much as a stove with tubes or an accordion type heat exchanger. There is a thread where someone added(posted picture) a heat sink to a 10 cpm. He also saw an improvement in convection temps.
I would look more at the 25EP which has a tube type heatexchanger. Unless you can steal a 25IP at a super low price.
'Hate resurrect an old thread, but I recently (November 2014) installed an Englander 25-1P, as I write this I'm on my second ton of pellets and going strong.
I got a good deal from AM/FM energy (factory second). My installation is kinda unique as I'm below grade; 4" exhaust vent pipe, with a custom 2.5 mandrel bent for outside intake air. So far I love it! This is my first pellet stove after many years of burning wood, so I'm still learning. My first ton of pellets (Stove Chow) although burned well produced a ton of ash, My current, and second, ton (Blazer) burn great also with a quarter of the ash.
I got a good deal from AM/FM energy (factory second). My installation is kinda unique as I'm below grade; 4" exhaust vent pipe, with a custom 2.5 mandrel bent for outside intake air. So far I love it! This is my first pellet stove after many years of burning wood, so I'm still learning. My first ton of pellets (Stove Chow) although burned well produced a ton of ash, My current, and second, ton (Blazer) burn great also with a quarter of the ash.
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mchasal
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I could have started a new thread, but there's so little online review of the 25-IP. We Imperial owners need to stick together.
The stove is situated in a downstairs family room of 500 sq ft, with an open staircase leading to the main floor (newer modern home). I typically run between 3 - 5 settings. Much higher and I have to start stripping off clothes. Right now with temps in the low teens outside 
, I'm at 4 and it's cozy warm. I use about two bags a day with it at 5. I still burn some oil (radiant heating) for the bedrooms, and hot water. I don't have too much to compare it to. But I am happy with it, so far.
The stove is situated in a downstairs family room of 500 sq ft, with an open staircase leading to the main floor (newer modern home). I typically run between 3 - 5 settings. Much higher and I have to start stripping off clothes. Right now with temps in the low teens outside , I'm at 4 and it's cozy warm. I use about two bags a day with it at 5. I still burn some oil (radiant heating) for the bedrooms, and hot water. I don't have too much to compare it to. But I am happy with it, so far.
acammer
Burning Hunk
I dunno how much fact there is to this post about the box style heat exchanger being no good. I get real good heat out of my PAH which has a box style exchanger, enough to keep my entire 2,100 sq feet on two floors a comfortable 70-72*F when it's 20*F outside. The stove is only capable of 4lbs/hr, so its not wasting much energy in achieving that feat. It doesn't "feel" as hot exiting the stove as a tube type exchanger, but thats because the volume of air is so much higher flowing out of a giant set of louvers instead of 10-12 tiny pipes. Apples to Oranges comparison and not the stuff to determine which is more efficient.
The IP is something like 35kBTU output, which is pretty darn strong. I wish I'd looked hard at it when I was doing my shopping, it's a sexy stove!
Lake Girl
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Haven't seen too many of these ... How is it to keep the internal exhaust pathways clean? Easy access or ?
mchasal
Burning Hunk
There are 2 covers on the inside of the firebox on either side of the burnpot. The monthly cleaning involves removing these and sucking any ash out of the heat exchanger. I use a small plastic tube extension to get in there better. The stove also benefits from removal of the fireboard and a vigorous pounding on the back of the firebox which knocks off the more tenacious deposits inside the heat exchanger. I do find those covers a little fidgety and they're just put in with self tapping screws. Wish they had some actual threads, but they get the job done.
As far as the rest, the internals are pretty easily accessed due to the large doors on the sides. The combustion blower comes off which lets you get at the rest of the exhaust path, though you'll need a gasket when you do that. I've also found that you can get at the blower by pulling the vent off and going in from there with a vac.
mchasal
Burning Hunk
Yes, it is worth noting that it is currently the highest output pellet stove that ESW makes, so I can't imagine the box exchanger is really that bad. It's been the sole heat source in my 1900sf house this winter and it hasn't been above 7 on the heat range.
Slight correction though, according to the manual,
Approximate Pellet Burn Rate**..........................................................0.945 to 2.346 kg/hr
Which is 2.08 to 5.17 pounds/hr
acammer
Burning Hunk
I was referring to my stove, which tops out at 4lbs/hr. I agree, the IP is able to push more fuel, hence the aprx 10kBTU advantage over my stove. And hence the reason I wish I'd gone with the IP, when it's below 20*F I could use that extra 10kBTU.
mchasal
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