Going from XXV to P43

If a dealer is willing to do something like that it means your present stove is worth more then you think. Have you looked around to see what your stove is going for? What is promoting your decision? Are you unhappy with what you have, and have a known history with or are you one of those types that have to have the newest, greatest, yada, yada, yada.

The dealer is going to do the changeout at no cost?

They buy you a new stove and you give them a three year old stove that is out of warranty. Could be setting yourself for problems down the road if the XXV doesn't live up to their expectations.

Why not work the deal through your dealer. You buy the new stove, have dealer install your XXV in your family members home and have dealer extend the XXV for another year.

Dealer takes your stove on trade and marks it up slightly when they sell it to your family member to cover the warranty. Everyone wins and dealer is on the hook not you.

The 43 isn't rated as high as the XXV, 43k vs 50k, you need a P68 but that's a lot of stove for 1900 sq ft. Maybe look at insulation?

I am also in VT. I have the P61 and my parents the 45. We are both very happy, the P series are beasts of stoves.

When we bought 7 years ago, we looked hard at the XXV. I loved the look but thought it might not heat our house, 1500 sq ft ranch. It may have but the 61 does easily.

If you can get into a new P series is say do it. Is your only option the 43?

The whole deal makes no sense.

Depending on your layout the 43 should be fine. I almost bought the 61 and the dealer talked me down to the 43 1800sf colonial open floor plan

I'd kick in some coin to offset their cost since I'm getting the new stove

Bigjim13 said:

I am also in VT. I have the P61 and my parents the 45. We are both very happy, the P series are beasts of stoves.

When we bought 7 hrs ago, we looked hard at the XXV. I loved the look but thought it might not heat our house, 1500 sq ft ranch. It may have but the 61 does easily.

If you can get into a new P series is say do it. Is your only option the 43?

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Wow, a whole 7 hours ago - LOL

jslinger said:

The XXV is more than I need. My house is very well insulated. I suggested the P43, because that is all I need. They will be replacing an enviro that caught fire in the hopper, and filled the house with smoke. They don't like the looks of the P series, so they want an accentra. They save $700 by buying me a P43, instead of the buying themselves and accentra. They currently have a 5 year old XXV that has yet to need a repair, so they know what they are getting into. Their incentive is the money savings, and a better looking stove.
My incentive is a brand new stove.


You think I am ripping them off?

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No not intentionally anyway. But I think I'd just sell them the XXV if that's what they want and then go buy the P43 myself. But if they want an Accentra and have an XXV already then how does that make any sense to buy your XXV? In this deal they are doing everything but satisfying their goal, to own the Accentra.

On another note if you think the XXV is too much stove for your house the P43 should be fine. Good luck with the wife !!

bogieb said:

Wow, a whole 7 hours ago - LOL

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Damn fat fingers! 7 YEARS ago...hard to believe it's been that long.

Bigjim13 said:

Damn fat fingers! 7 YEARS ago...hard to believe it's been that long.

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Just go back and edit the mistake out if you like, no biggy. I seem to have the same finger problem you do !!lol I'm always correcting old posts I put up. Especially ones I put up from my phone.

You want to do the deal. They want to do the deal. Explain your thinking about value to them directly. Affirm the deal and do it. Don't overthink and, as in any personal relationship, don't let others come between.

jslinger said:

Sounds good.
I guess I shouldn't have presented all the info. It really just took away from my main concern. Which was; Is my logic sound? If I am only going through 1.5 bags on the coldest days, does that mean a P43 will be big enough? Or are there other factors I need to consider?

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I suspect a P43 will do fine if a bit different from your XXV. You will get a bit more radiant heat from the P43 than the XXV. The XXV has a strong convection blower and nearly all it's output is via that blower. The P43 has a lesser blower but also gives off some radiant heat. What I don't know obviously, is how that all works out in your house layout. In mine with the P61, having some radiant output is a good thing. What does the dealer say about it all ?

Another thing that may, or may not, come up is noise. For some reason I remember the XXV as being pitched as a quiet stove opposed to say like my Mt. Vernon. I believe the XXV also can be run off 12volts during a power outage.

It sounds like they will end up with 2 stoves when all is done. Great to have both being the same if it happens. To me, and it's only my opinion, I would leave well enough alone and just help them out with some of the cost in gettingo a new, or newer, stove. By the time you disconnect yours, move it, move a new stove into place and hook it up there is a bunch of heavy work involved. If you, or your family member, is going to do all this yourself that is one thing but if your going to pay a dealer, or installer, to do it I feel you have lost any real saving. Plus you have to make sure the wife is gonna be happy and that right there may be a deal stopper if you get my drift.

Are you unhappy with your XXV other then you feel it's over sized?

Hats off to you for trying to help a family member.

Bkins said:

Another thing that may, or may not, come up is noise. For some reason I remember the XXV as being pitched as a quiet stove opposed to say like my Mt. Vernon. I believe the XXV also can be run off 12volts during a power outage.


Are you unhappy with your XXV other then you feel it's over sized?

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Yes the XXV is a quiet stove considering the power of it's blower system. I've heard a couple different ones in operation and definitely quieter than my P61. In fact quieter than the 52i even.

jslinger said:

I currently have an opportunity to trade my 3 year old XXV for a brand new P43. I am heating a 1900 square foot house in VT.
On the coldest days, I will only go through 1.5 bags. My thinking was; the P43 should be able to burn through 3 bags per day. I am basing this purely on BTU capabilities of the stove, and BTU's of the pellets I burn. So I would think the P43 would be plenty big enough to heat my house. Last winter we went through 3 tons. I am hoping 3 will be enough this year, but we have used 2 already, so I am not optimistic.
I wanted to check with everyone to make sure my logic is sound. I don't want to get into a stove that is too small.
And do you think it is worth it to trade a 3 year old $4,000 stove for a brand new $3,000 stove?

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I believe both are great pieces of equiptment and if you are okay with the deal go for it , I would love to own an xxv and thought radiant heat from the cast was excellent but never owned one . The new p43 any options always liked the mirrored glass and the door surround - good luck . I did notice the new p-series stoves all I believe from the brochure are 10 inch exhaust height vs 9 inches of previous , just check . Just what I thought I saw .