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Well I've done some number crunching and now I've a decision to make . . . I'm not sure which way to go here.

The repo WRX by the way ended up being sold the day after I test drove it. A bit disappointing at first . . . but I always figure things happen for a reason -- for all I know the previous owner never properly broke it in and it could blow up in a spectacular fireball two weeks from now. ;)

In any case, it looks like I'm going to go new . . . a base model WRX. I've already secured pre-financing at a decent rate (but hopefully the dealer may do better with their own offer.)

So here's my problem . . .

I sent out requests to the various dealers here in Maine asking for their best price on a base model WRX with as few (if any) options along with the OTD price . . . and whether the car is in stock or needs to be ordered.

Not surprisingly, most dealers came back to say the car would need to be ordered. A few said that they have a car coming later this month or may be able to make a "folder swap" (sounds like a dealer swap to me?)

Prices seemed decent . . . based on the numbers from True Car, Edmunds, etc. most were below invoice on the price ($24,799-$25,499) and it became obvious that some used other fees to pad the OTD price but the figures still seem decent enough ($26,636-$27,242) and well within what I want to pay.

Which in your opinion is the better deal here?

Dealer A: Best overall price and OTD price at $26,636 who as an added bonus thinks they can make a "folder swap" and have a car in by the end of the month.

Dealer B (Well B and C really): Second and third lowest prices (about $200 more than the lowest OTD price) and as an added bonus I have worked with these dealers before as they are local dealers. The car would have to be ordered with a 8-12 week wait time . . . but good things come to those who wait, right?

Dealer C: Asking $345 more than the best price (Dealer A) and are unwilling to budge on the price, but they counter by saying that the $26,981 OTD price also includes a life time warranty on the car (offered through a third party, maintenance must be done and documented -- but does not need to be done at this dealership. No deductible if the work is done at this dealership (2 hours from my home) or $100 per component if the work is done at another Subaru dealer.). Car would have to be ordered with a 8-12 week wait.


I do like a good deal . . . and if Dealer A was able to get a car in that much sooner so much the better. I am willing to wait for a vehicle, but at the same time who wouldn't want to be driving a new car that much sooner?

On the other hand, the two local dealers have treated me decently in the past, I will most likely have any warranty work (if necessary) done at one of these places and I suspect might be willing to go a little bit lower on the price . . . but the flip side would be a bit more of a wait.

And then there is that one dealer with a tantalizing lifetime, unlimited mile warranty. Having had my wife's 2003 Legacy Outback develop the infamous head gasket issue I am always a bit leery of laying out a whole lot of money and having the car have a major issue . . . but I also question as to how useful that third party warranty would be if push came to shove.

Your thoughts on any of this?
 
Option D. Go to the honda dealer and drive an Accord Sport with the 6 speed. :)

And forget the lifetime warranty, they get to be hard to keep up with. I say that only from them wanting every receipt and mileage sticker for everything.

That said, I like the wrx, but lime the looks of the widebody hatch better.
 
Any possibilities of Dealer D: finding a demo with 10 000 miles on it and knocking $4000 off the price?

If not, go with your gut. Buy it from the friendliest more reliable dealer. $300 is like splitting a hair when it comes to financing $30K.

Or come to Canada and use your 20% exchange rate in your favor :D

Andrew
 
Option D. Go to the honda dealer and drive an Accord Sport with the 6 speed. :)

And forget the lifetime warranty, they get to be hard to keep up with. I say that only from them wanting every receipt and mileage sticker for everything.

That said, I like the wrx, but lime the looks of the widebody hatch better.

Meh . . . I like my current 4 cylinder Accord . . . and thought some about the V-6 . . . but I'm too cheap to spring for the extra coin and the budget would have been more a long the lines of the 4 cylinder . . . plus I thought they looked like they've bulked up a little bit since the early 2000s.
 
Any possibilities of Dealer D: finding a demo with 10 000 miles on it and knocking $4000 off the price?

If not, go with your gut. Buy it from the friendliest more reliable dealer. $300 is like splitting a hair when it comes to financing $30K.

Or come to Canada and use your 20% exchange rate in your favor :D

Andrew

Hmmm . . . I may have to look into that. My Honda Foreman in fact is Canadian . . . bought that back in the early 2000s when the exchange rate was favorable. I know not too long ago we had a lot of Canadians coming down to buy used cars . . . but I was told they couldn't buy new cars and cross the border with them. Like I said . . . I may have to check into this.
 
Hmmm . . . I may have to look into that. My Honda Foreman in fact is Canadian . . . bought that back in the early 2000s when the exchange rate was favorable. I know not too long ago we had a lot of Canadians coming down to buy used cars . . . but I was told they couldn't buy new cars and cross the border with them. Like I said . . . I may have to check into this.

And that idea is out . . . looks like Canadians end up paying quite a bit more for these cars . . . or at least Subarus . . . even if the exchange rate held at 20% I don't believe it would make it worth the trip over the border.
 
I'd actually make the decision based on color--that's often a make-or-break decision for me.
 
Meh . . . I like my current 4 cylinder Accord . . . and thought some about the V-6 . . . but I'm too cheap to spring for the extra coin and the budget would have been more a long the lines of the 4 cylinder . . . plus I thought they looked like they've bulked up a little bit since the early 2000s.


The Accord Sport is a 4 cylinder... I love Hondas but this "sport" edition is a joke... really nothing sporty about it other than a looks package - you get a whopping 4 more horsepower than the base model and a slightly stiffer ride... but that's it. No v6 option,, they force you into expensive 18inch wheels and you get none of the nice interior upgrades, no sunroof, no option for leather, nothing.
 
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but I was told they couldn't buy new cars and cross the border with them.
We certainly can..and when the dollar is at par, we do. Especially if you buy an outback or a legacy. Why? 2 reasons: 1- the prices are MUCH cheaper down in the US 2- since these models are made in the USA, Good ol NAFTA save us paying duty on them. But there is a shortage on Subarus so they stopped selling new ones...

There's a Subaru dealer in New Hampshire (Subaru of Keene) that had one salesman dedicated to Canadian clients. Provided the warranty work was done at a Canadian subaru dealer, you keep the bill and send it to SUbaru USA, they send you a cheque...

Just wait a few weeks, our dollar is about to drop another 5-6 cents! lol

Andrew
 
We certainly can..and when the dollar is at par, we do. Especially if you buy an outback or a legacy. Why? 2 reasons: 1- the prices are MUCH cheaper down in the US 2- since these models are made in the USA, Good ol NAFTA save us paying duty on them. But there is a shortage on Subarus so they stopped selling new ones...

There's a Subaru dealer in New Hampshire (Subaru of Keene) that had one salesman dedicated to Canadian clients. Provided the warranty work was done at a Canadian subaru dealer, you keep the bill and send it to SUbaru USA, they send you a cheque...

Just wait a few weeks, our dollar is about to drop another 5-6 cents! lol

Andrew
Come and get it, the Forester you've been looking for: 2005 5spd turbo, 85k mi., driven gently and put away dry, in very nice shape. Talk to Jef 122 Plum St, Syracuse, NY 13204 (315) 478-1103. Better hurry before I change my mind. $9k.
 
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I wouldn't go with the spiffy lifetime warranty. If you have to tow your vehicle 2 hours for them to do the work, that's no good. The $100 per component deductible is also fishy. So if you have a belt tensioning pulley blow up (as I did), you've got the pulley itself, the timing belt cover, the timing belt,... at $100 per "component"?? No thanks.

See if your friendly local dealer can get it any sooner than 8-12 weeks, even if it costs you the $300. If Dealer A is only an hour or so away, go with them. That way, you get your WRX nice & fast.

Speaking of which, do you have a decent radar/laser detector? If not, you might need one. ==c
 
do you have a decent radar/laser detector? If not, you might need one
Just don't take it into NB Jake or the local Mounties may not approve of it ;) (they are illegal in Canada).

Personally I like a lifetime warranty idea. I would need to read the fine print properly..... BUt that's just me. I also like fixed rate mortgages, lots of house insurance and a spare set of underwear in my carry on when I fly just in case my luggage doesn't make it.

Andrew
 
...a spare set of underwear in my carry on when I fly just in case my luggage doesn't make it.
The days of your luggage traveling on a separate plane are (mostly) long-gone, thanks to post-911 security concerns. So, depending on the reason your luggage doesn't make it, you may or may not need that spare set of underwear.
 
No radar detector ... I Ave some thing better ... a sticker ... it has got me out of a few tickets over the years. In truth, besides that sticker ... my exemplary driving record has helped as well I think.
 
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Passed a brandy new blacked-out WRX on the highway yesterday and it was doing that little bounce thing that "tweaked" Civics do. Paint looked beautiful, but it screamed Fast and Furious to me.
 
The days of your luggage traveling on a separate plane are (mostly) long-gone, thanks to post-911 security concerns. So, depending on the reason your luggage doesn't make it, you may or may not need that spare set of underwear.
In Canada, on domestic flights, they often remove luggage from a plane in order to balance the weight distribution better. I have only lost luggage once out of about 35 flights. But friends of mine have had bad luck.....
 
What does it cost to replace the turbo on Subarus from the last 5 years or so? Turbos are one item I steer clear of when I think of the long haul years out and high mileage on a gas engine anyway. I know they are far more reliable than 20 or so years ago but IMO it doesn't do the engine any favors for longevity. Obviously for power output they do their job well.
 
What does it cost to replace the turbo on Subarus from the last 5 years or so? Turbos are one item I steer clear of when I think of the long haul years out and high mileage on a gas engine anyway. I know they are far more reliable than 20 or so years ago but IMO it doesn't do the engine any favors for longevity. Obviously for power output they do their job well.

Turbo cost I dunno. I've not read any tales of turbo failure on Subies. That's apparently not a common failure. My WRX ran 230K+ miles before I sold it.
 
Short of kids who abuse their cars, I've not seen a failed turbo since I helped a friend repair his ca.1995 (1990'ish Volvo). It has been a very long time since I have seen a turbo failure, but then again, I don't know anyone trying to get 200k miles out of a turbo car!
 
One of my work buddies has an '04 WRX that he bought brand new. He is in a Subaru club and goes to track meets and has that thing modified with a Cobb stage 2 or 3 system with ECU tune, higher boost and a full aftermarket turbo back exhaust. Basically its been running with a tune at least 50hp more than stock since about hte second year he owned.

He probably has close to 200k on it now, if not more and the turbo is fine.

Rest of the car, not so much. He just had to replace his entire brake system. Hard lines rotted out and failed. Its been a long time since I heard of that, but he is a hardcore skier so this thing sees more than average road salt punishment all winter I guess?
 
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Ringland issues and banjo belt issues were problematic for some models . . . haven't really heard much about the turbos though.
 
One of my work buddies has an '04 WRX that he bought brand new. He is in a Subaru club and goes to track meets and has that thing modified with a Cobb stage 2 or 3 system with ECU tune, higher boost and a full aftermarket turbo back exhaust. Basically its been running with a tune at least 50hp more than stock since about hte second year he owned.

He probably has close to 200k on it now, if not more and the turbo is fine.

Rest of the car, not so much. He just had to replace his entire brake system. Hard lines rotted out and failed. Its been a long time since I heard of that, but he is a hardcore skier so this thing sees more than average road salt punishment all winter I guess?

Subaru keeps having recalls on brake lines rusting out. We've got notices on our 2003/2007/2013 Subies (& maybe the 2010 that my wife has, but I can't remember).
 
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Some of the turbos have a filter located on the banjo bolt for the oil line. If this isnt checked and oil changes kept up on, this filter could plug and stave the turbo. If maintained well, I dont know that they have a higher than normal failure rate.
 
All this car talk made me think about my favorite MotorWeek episode of 4-wheel'in on the snow. Watching it is a fun way to waste 20 minutes on the computer.

This is from the mid 1990's, before Iceland grew up and became responsible. I hate responsible.

 
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