Ok, I haven't found this in the manual. What's the best way to load my stove for an overnight burn. What's the most efficient way to do it? What kind of overnight performance can I expect from my Englander 30-NCP?
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Corie
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I thought you were buying a 13NC? You bought the big boy? Good for you!
I'll let BrotherBart describe his overnight burning techniques, as I never perfected mine to the point he did. If he doesn't show up, I can give you my method.
I'll let BrotherBart describe his overnight burning techniques, as I never perfected mine to the point he did. If he doesn't show up, I can give you my method.
Ya, the want ad I found advertised the stove as a 13NC, but it turned out to be the 30, with the blower! This thing is great! Can't beat it for $500.
Todd
Minister of Fire
I never burned an Englander, but with all the different stoves I've owned, whether cat or non cat I would rake the coals forward towards the glass then load the splits in tight, side to side not front to back, give it lots of air for 10-20 minutes, then bring the air down to minimum. You should get a good long burn with that monster sized firebox.
Works pretty much like Todd said. But I would do it with three splits for some practice first. Nothing worse than loading up a big ass firebox you aren't used to and getting surprised. That dude will hold 55 pounds of oak. That is a bunch of BTUs. And if the wood is real dry they will all try to get out of the stove and into your living room all at the same time.
Work into your new stove gradually and you will find the best way to burn it for different times of the day and different weather etc.
Work into your new stove gradually and you will find the best way to burn it for different times of the day and different weather etc.
mtcox
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Does this method work for just about any firebox? I'm only getting about 4 hours of burn time with the Quadrafire but I haven't packed it to the gills as of yet. I'm a little afraid of the BTU's and the heat it will put off. It's in the master bedroom and it can get a little warm when it's fired up.
jtp10181
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mtcox
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The master bed room is large and on the first floor therefore the heat does escape to the 2nd floor. However, I won't lie to you a say that I haven't been lying in bed sweating with the window open on a 25 degree night. It's not too hard to get our room to the 80-85 degree range. We haven't had too many cold nights here in Virginia, yet. I'll be interested to know if this machine will heat the house to a comfortable temperature when it's 10-15 outside.
Should I be using Brother Bart's method of loading this stove before going to bed at night? Will this provide the 7-8 hour burn times? I'll be burning primarily red & white oak and hickory.
Should I be using Brother Bart's method of loading this stove before going to bed at night? Will this provide the 7-8 hour burn times? I'll be burning primarily red & white oak and hickory.
mtcox said:
A stove in a bedroom is illegal and not a very good idea. I hope you have a somke detecor and a CO2 detector in there at least.
mtcox
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The stove is technically in an adjacent room. There are both smoke detectors and CO detectors in the room.
We specifically called the adjacent room a reading room to avoid this issue. Is there something that says there must be a door or some other physical separation between the bedroom and the room the stove sits in?
We specifically called the adjacent room a reading room to avoid this issue. Is there something that says there must be a door or some other physical separation between the bedroom and the room the stove sits in?
Yes the bedroom and all its interior are defined by by the entry way door to the space. Was this install inspected?
mtcox
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No inspection.
The entry way from the reading room to the bedroom is not separated by a door but by a half wall. You walk from the reading room into the master bedroom. The bedroom is 14' X 25' and the reading room adjacent to it is 14' X 12'.
What do you think?
The entry way from the reading room to the bedroom is not separated by a door but by a half wall. You walk from the reading room into the master bedroom. The bedroom is 14' X 25' and the reading room adjacent to it is 14' X 12'.
What do you think?
As an IR owner/operator for several years, I will chime in here. The IR is pretty easy to get 8HR burns, using hard woods and maintaining an average stove top temp of about 500 deg. Notice I said AVERAGE. What will happen is this: After a fire has been established and gone to a coaling stage, you will reload for the over night burn. Loading in the typical E-W fashion, you will get many pounds of fuel into that 3 cu. ft firebox. Allow to char the new load. Back that thing down to about a 10% open primary air, and bingo, you are ready for 8hrs of burn. Now here comes the fun part. The stove top is going to go up to 650-700 deg. for about 2 hrs. By then you will be panting like a dog in your bedroom ( I heat a 1750 sq ft farm house with mine). After a few hours, the temps will slip into a range of about 500. A couple of hours of that and the temps will slide down to about 350 at your 8hr mark. At which time you are laying in a puddle of sweat looking for water.
Quad wasn't joking when they printed the spec sheet for that stove. It is designed as a serious heat machine. It ain't no wimpy parlor stove.
Edit: Stove in bedroom is bad mojo.
Quad wasn't joking when they printed the spec sheet for that stove. It is designed as a serious heat machine. It ain't no wimpy parlor stove.
Edit: Stove in bedroom is bad mojo.
mtcox
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I'll give the formula a try this week and see what I can get out of it.
Our delima while choosing the location for the stove was (like many folks, I'm sure) there was only one spot to locate it. Sitting adjacent to the bedroom is not ideal and it sits about 60' from the kitchen on the same floor. The heat eventually gets over there but the temperature variance is 15-20 degrees. I've just come to understand it's a side effect of heating with wood.
I'm very happy with the Isle Royale. It's fun to burn and it's a far cry from the heat pump. It's a great feeling to know that the house is at 70 degrees and that heat pump is off. $400 electric bills are no fun. I'd rather put the effort into splitting wood.
Our delima while choosing the location for the stove was (like many folks, I'm sure) there was only one spot to locate it. Sitting adjacent to the bedroom is not ideal and it sits about 60' from the kitchen on the same floor. The heat eventually gets over there but the temperature variance is 15-20 degrees. I've just come to understand it's a side effect of heating with wood.
I'm very happy with the Isle Royale. It's fun to burn and it's a far cry from the heat pump. It's a great feeling to know that the house is at 70 degrees and that heat pump is off. $400 electric bills are no fun. I'd rather put the effort into splitting wood.
mtcox said:
Why don't you have the IR in the kitchen and the Hampton in the sitting room? Ought to provide more even heating for the house to burn smaller loads in both but have the beast, the IR, handling the larger area.
mtcox
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That's actually a great idea. I had not thought of that. However, the kitchen is not complete. I will suggest it to the wife and see what she thinks. I hope that H300 will do a better job once I get some good and seasoned oak into it. Burning that wet wood last year didn't help it's performance at all.
mtcox said:
BB comes up with some pretty good ideas. Thats why we keep him around. ;-) Always thinkin', I'll tell ya.
That really is a good idea if possible. I think you would find your heat to be more even all around. And the IR is pretty comfortable running smaller loads too, just keep the primary air up a little more with the smaller loads, or it will get smoky on ya.
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