Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
That's so much easier than calling a reputable dealer selling quality stuff...
Dan
Tractor Supply Co. Flyer just came out!
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That's so much easier than calling a reputable dealer selling quality stuff...
Dan
Some of us don't have one ....That's so much easier than calling a reputable dealer selling quality stuff...
Dan
RhodyPelletRook
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That's so much easier than calling a reputable dealer selling quality stuff...
look at the title of the post.... It's not a reputable dealer flyer that just came out... Nor is it a post re buying philosophy.... It's about helping folks be informed.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
joke: n. something said or done to cause laughter or amusement...
If you read anything I have posted in the past, you will see I try to "help"
people as well, from a different perspective.
Dan
Michael6268
Minister of Fire
It was Kimmels. Had real good luck with it last year. Much less unburnt and little fines. My Reading nut size was getting real bad in the past.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
Kimmel was always good, Reading not so... we use Blaschak now, very happy with that.
Kimmel still in 50# bags?
Another reason for liking the Blaschak! (40#)
Dan
Michael6268
Minister of Fire
crizpynutz
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First, I apologize for not replying earlier, I just noticed your post. They were like $280/ton - you pick them up when I called about 6-8 weeks ago.
RhodyPelletRook
Member
Just placed my order with my local dealer. Paid more than I would've at TSC, but the delivery and product being identified and consistent is important. While I could've saved $200. If rather have a big headache square away now. 4 tons okie platinums and 2 tons okie df. Ready for winter. Can't say I'm upset re not stacking six tons by hand! Whew
TSC here was hush, hush about which brand was coming and now I know why. Last year they sold Somersets and this year they now have Fiber Energy pellets which I have seen nothing but horrible reviews on. I have not read one decent thing said about them and everyone complaining states pretty much the same thing.
Glad I went ahead and pulled the trigger on some Somersets at Lowe's. Very glad I paid $250 per ton for the Sets vs. $235 per ton for junk.
Glad I went ahead and pulled the trigger on some Somersets at Lowe's. Very glad I paid $250 per ton for the Sets vs. $235 per ton for junk.
This was TSC pricing there will be no lower price this season as per employee/Manager.
The Regular price $5.49 a bag that's $274.5 a ton -$25 sale = $249.50 (that's $4.99 a bag) does that sound right? They said 3 Ton would cost $748.50 with the early sale you save $75. Also you can tell them what pellets you want at pickup.
The Regular price $5.49 a bag that's $274.5 a ton -$25 sale = $249.50 (that's $4.99 a bag) does that sound right? They said 3 Ton would cost $748.50 with the early sale you save $75. Also you can tell them what pellets you want at pickup.
Joe,
The TSC here sold pellets for $235 per ton with the early buy discounts they offered which was a $10 per ton bulk discount plus $15 per ton in pre-buy savings. Basically, TSC gives you $25 off per ton so regular price here is $260 a ton or $5.20 a bag.
Problem is / was the fact they would not disclose what brand of pellets. I held off and went to Lowe's. Glad I did because TSC has Energy Fiber Pellets which from what I've seen and read are not very good.
I do know my local Lowe's and Home Depot are charging $5.49 per bag this year so far. Their ton of pellets will be $274.50 which is getting up there IMO.
I did find a local hardware store selling Somersets for $229 per ton so if I buy more that's where I'm going. Lowe's & Depot here both sold Sets last year and so did TSC. This year Lowe's is getting Hamers Depot doesn't know what they are getting brand wise and TSC has crappy pellets.
I bought 7 tons of left over Sets from Lowe's a couple of weeks ago that were stored inside since last season and still wrapped on the pallets. I got a good deal on them and know what I'm getting pellet wise. Loved the Sets last year. Also like last years $224 per ton pricing much better. That's with my 10% veterans discount and I used it on the 7 tons I just bought as well and believe I paid about $238 a ton and $69 delivery for all 7 tons. Not bad but not as good as last years cost nor my new find of $229 a ton which I will be buying some more and stocking up.
Many places are jacking pellet prices up this year even around here where pellet stoves are not real popular. They keep it up and I'll go back to wood.
So Lowe's here will have Hamers for $274.50 per ton which are supposed to be good pellets but I have never burned any but have seen some positive reviews. With my 10% discount I would pay $247.05 per ton. Not bad but not great. I know pellet prices climb up north and many would love to pay this per ton. $ 247.05 - $224 (last years price) = $23.05 more per ton this season.
Shipping prices haven't gone up nor production costs IMO. Gas and fuel prices have come down. Go figure!
The TSC here sold pellets for $235 per ton with the early buy discounts they offered which was a $10 per ton bulk discount plus $15 per ton in pre-buy savings. Basically, TSC gives you $25 off per ton so regular price here is $260 a ton or $5.20 a bag.
Problem is / was the fact they would not disclose what brand of pellets. I held off and went to Lowe's. Glad I did because TSC has Energy Fiber Pellets which from what I've seen and read are not very good.
I do know my local Lowe's and Home Depot are charging $5.49 per bag this year so far. Their ton of pellets will be $274.50 which is getting up there IMO.
I did find a local hardware store selling Somersets for $229 per ton so if I buy more that's where I'm going. Lowe's & Depot here both sold Sets last year and so did TSC. This year Lowe's is getting Hamers Depot doesn't know what they are getting brand wise and TSC has crappy pellets.
I bought 7 tons of left over Sets from Lowe's a couple of weeks ago that were stored inside since last season and still wrapped on the pallets. I got a good deal on them and know what I'm getting pellet wise. Loved the Sets last year. Also like last years $224 per ton pricing much better. That's with my 10% veterans discount and I used it on the 7 tons I just bought as well and believe I paid about $238 a ton and $69 delivery for all 7 tons. Not bad but not as good as last years cost nor my new find of $229 a ton which I will be buying some more and stocking up.
Many places are jacking pellet prices up this year even around here where pellet stoves are not real popular. They keep it up and I'll go back to wood.
So Lowe's here will have Hamers for $274.50 per ton which are supposed to be good pellets but I have never burned any but have seen some positive reviews. With my 10% discount I would pay $247.05 per ton. Not bad but not great. I know pellet prices climb up north and many would love to pay this per ton. $ 247.05 - $224 (last years price) = $23.05 more per ton this season.
Shipping prices haven't gone up nor production costs IMO. Gas and fuel prices have come down. Go figure!
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mik_kane
Feeling the Heat
Anyone going to the big box stores if you have a discover card you will get 5% cash back, so consider that
If your buying from HD they have their price per ton online. You can use shopdiscover for a additional 5% off and buy online and pick up in store. You would have to take a ride to the store in advance to see what your actually ordering as the website does not give details. So you would get 10% off going that route.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
Exactly how much does that little drop in fuel cost factor in to the price of delivered pellets?
just curious.
Dan
Everything factors in. Reduced fuel costs does not make delivery cost more. Especially when diesel fuel is cheaper now than last summer or has consistently been less across the board. Typical crap re-runs just before and during election time. Things strangely seem to get better and cheaper every time. My point is that it seems odd many places are upping their prices on pellets this year. Here locally why are the big box "discount" type stores charging more than other places?
The example is I found a local hardware store selling for $229 per ton. Now the Home Depot about 6 miles away from said hardware store (closer to the Interstate) is charging just under $280 per ton. Does HD pay more for delivery of pellets being 6 miles closer to the interstate? I doubt it. Less fuel is used to deliver there because it is closer. Therefore, how can HD justify $50 more per ton?
Dan what I am getting at mainly is why are we seeing such price jumps this season when there really isn't anything driving costs up. I get how supply and demand factor in. I have seen threads and speculation that pellet co.'s are exporting more. Don't know...... What are your ideas on why we are seeing prices increasing? I understand prices of things periodically go up. That's a given but it is usually more gradual and not in bigger margins. Many are complaining about the heftier prices on pellets when years past the prices have been fairly consistent. And I find no simple reason why. Some of the prices many people up north east have said are getting ridiculously high. Much higher than here.
The example is I found a local hardware store selling for $229 per ton. Now the Home Depot about 6 miles away from said hardware store (closer to the Interstate) is charging just under $280 per ton. Does HD pay more for delivery of pellets being 6 miles closer to the interstate? I doubt it. Less fuel is used to deliver there because it is closer. Therefore, how can HD justify $50 more per ton?
Dan what I am getting at mainly is why are we seeing such price jumps this season when there really isn't anything driving costs up. I get how supply and demand factor in. I have seen threads and speculation that pellet co.'s are exporting more. Don't know...... What are your ideas on why we are seeing prices increasing? I understand prices of things periodically go up. That's a given but it is usually more gradual and not in bigger margins. Many are complaining about the heftier prices on pellets when years past the prices have been fairly consistent. And I find no simple reason why. Some of the prices many people up north east have said are getting ridiculously high. Much higher than here.
Peterfield
Minister of Fire
The price jumps aren't outright gouging as much as manufacturers seeing what the market will bear and vendors having to carry that price increase to their stores. I see pallets of pellets now in places I never saw them before, including an auto body shop today. Why? Because they are trying to cash in on the frenzy. It's much the same as the cigar industry. It became cool to smoke cigars again and one dollar cigars became 4 dollar cigars almost overnight. When the frenzy died, prices dropped. Ammunition just went through a similar cycle. Pellets are a commodity, nothing more, nothing less and subject to supply and demand. It won't happen but if everyone just sat on their hands, prices would eventually drop.
Bags: They had 3 brands instant heat, American's, and a White and Green bag looked like Green Supremes,They told me at Pickup I could have loaded what ones I wanted but come early no guarantee's.
Peterfield is right about the prices once the demand goes down or they don't sell be ready to stock up at $210-225 a ton.
Peterfield is right about the prices once the demand goes down or they don't sell be ready to stock up at $210-225 a ton.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
My response was geared more to the idea that fuel costs are down ergo stuff should be cheaper..
Diesel fuel is a small part of the trucking.. a factor yes, but not as huge as people think.
Consider that everything EXCEPT fuel, stays constant, or goes up.
Tractor
Trailer
Vehicle Insurance
Repairs
Maintenance
Wages
Road fees
Hypothetically, let's say that the trucking is $3.40 per mile
And a rig gets 4 miles to a gallon.
At $3.00 per gallon that is 75¢ per mile.
If fuel drops 50¢, that is 63¢ per mile
a savings of 12¢ a mile.
300 mile trip is $1,020. 50¢ reduction in fuel is $36 saved
Divided by 26 pallet load is $1.36 per pallet......
That is how it affects small dealers.
As for the manufacturing plants, you are right... exporting has created an enormous strain
on materials. We have a friend that operates a logging/firewood business.
He is out straight and paying more now for logs than he ever has,
AND, it's just harder to get to the material. Severe winters, like last year,
horrible for them.. Another "trickle down" factor..
As for the BBS.
We are a small dealer... completely different animal.
I always stress, my opinions have nothing to do with how HD, or Lowes operate..
Our retail prices have not gone up as much as theirs have. Percentage wise.
The spread used to be a deciding factor for many people. BBS were considerably cheaper.
Now.. they are selling what many think are not such great pellets for prices only
about 10 bucks less than what we sell good quality for. And their "premium" stuff, at $299,
is MORE than ours!! We actually had early buy on La Crete, Platinum, North Country for $279.
The only thing I can figure, and this is MY opinion only... is that the BBS got tired
of losing money all these years, have got the customers accustomed to just buying there,
and now, are just trying to turn a profit, rather than just creating cash flow...
It's perfectly understandable, that some my not agree..
These are just my opinions, based on what I see...
Not claiming to have perfect eyesight!!
Dan
Diesel fuel is a small part of the trucking.. a factor yes, but not as huge as people think.
Consider that everything EXCEPT fuel, stays constant, or goes up.
Tractor
Trailer
Vehicle Insurance
Repairs
Maintenance
Wages
Road fees
Hypothetically, let's say that the trucking is $3.40 per mile
And a rig gets 4 miles to a gallon.
At $3.00 per gallon that is 75¢ per mile.
If fuel drops 50¢, that is 63¢ per mile
a savings of 12¢ a mile.
300 mile trip is $1,020. 50¢ reduction in fuel is $36 saved
Divided by 26 pallet load is $1.36 per pallet......
That is how it affects small dealers.
As for the manufacturing plants, you are right... exporting has created an enormous strain
on materials. We have a friend that operates a logging/firewood business.
He is out straight and paying more now for logs than he ever has,
AND, it's just harder to get to the material. Severe winters, like last year,
horrible for them.. Another "trickle down" factor..
As for the BBS.
We are a small dealer... completely different animal.
I always stress, my opinions have nothing to do with how HD, or Lowes operate..
Our retail prices have not gone up as much as theirs have. Percentage wise.
The spread used to be a deciding factor for many people. BBS were considerably cheaper.
Now.. they are selling what many think are not such great pellets for prices only
about 10 bucks less than what we sell good quality for. And their "premium" stuff, at $299,
is MORE than ours!! We actually had early buy on La Crete, Platinum, North Country for $279.
The only thing I can figure, and this is MY opinion only... is that the BBS got tired
of losing money all these years, have got the customers accustomed to just buying there,
and now, are just trying to turn a profit, rather than just creating cash flow...
It's perfectly understandable, that some my not agree..
These are just my opinions, based on what I see...
Not claiming to have perfect eyesight!!
Dan
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Michael6268
Minister of Fire
Funny how that works...
Fuel prices go down and product prices stay the same or down a little. (Sometimes go up)
Fuel prices go up an the cost of goods skyrockets...
Doesnt make sense..
Fuel prices go down and product prices stay the same or down a little. (Sometimes go up)
Fuel prices go up an the cost of goods skyrockets...
Doesnt make sense..
That's some good input Dan. Always like to see others ideas and input. There are many, many hidden costs of doing business that most never begin to consider. I'm just a little chapped that after my 1st year some pellet suppliers decided to crack it off in me and everyone else. I'm stubborn at times and happy I found a local place still selling great pellets at $229 per ton this year.
Last year I paid $224 so I can live with a $5 per ton increase. That is reasonable IMO. Not $50 to $75 per ton increases for inferior junk pellets mostly. Hamers seem to be good but not worth that much more per ton to me. Those jack wagons want to keep that stuff up then out of being like I am I will travel greater distances in the future to score a decent deal per ton. Even if I lose a bit of time and diesel doing so. I'll give my business to the fair priced people no matter where I need to go. I'm all over anyway so I'll just have to incorporate pick ups into my out of town schedule as needed.
An example of this was the winter before last (terrible weather here) I refused to pay the sudden insane mark ups of rock salt locally. More than doubled per bag over night. As things played out a local lumber yard to an out of town job I had going on still had plenty of rock salt for a reasonable price. Well I loaded up my truck before I headed home for the weekend. I am still stocked up with the passing of another bad winter last season. Probably have enough rock salt in the barn for three to four more winters and I have a long blacktop driveway.
Price gouging is not cool! Greedy bastards....... I understand folks are in business to make money. I am. There is also ethics on being fair or being a money grubbing crook about things. I know pellet stove sales will likely slump some this year because of prices and other more economical ways to heat or easier ways for about the same cash layout.
I would also be hesitant about getting any hopes up about home heating oil and propane staying low in costs. Wait until the first cold snap and sudden shortage of those fuels for the umpteenth time. Get ready to get butt diddled again. Same sad story fast forwarded to a new year.
Last year I paid $224 so I can live with a $5 per ton increase. That is reasonable IMO. Not $50 to $75 per ton increases for inferior junk pellets mostly. Hamers seem to be good but not worth that much more per ton to me. Those jack wagons want to keep that stuff up then out of being like I am I will travel greater distances in the future to score a decent deal per ton. Even if I lose a bit of time and diesel doing so. I'll give my business to the fair priced people no matter where I need to go. I'm all over anyway so I'll just have to incorporate pick ups into my out of town schedule as needed.
An example of this was the winter before last (terrible weather here) I refused to pay the sudden insane mark ups of rock salt locally. More than doubled per bag over night. As things played out a local lumber yard to an out of town job I had going on still had plenty of rock salt for a reasonable price. Well I loaded up my truck before I headed home for the weekend. I am still stocked up with the passing of another bad winter last season. Probably have enough rock salt in the barn for three to four more winters and I have a long blacktop driveway.
Price gouging is not cool! Greedy bastards....... I understand folks are in business to make money. I am. There is also ethics on being fair or being a money grubbing crook about things. I know pellet stove sales will likely slump some this year because of prices and other more economical ways to heat or easier ways for about the same cash layout.
I would also be hesitant about getting any hopes up about home heating oil and propane staying low in costs. Wait until the first cold snap and sudden shortage of those fuels for the umpteenth time. Get ready to get butt diddled again. Same sad story fast forwarded to a new year.
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tiger
Feeling the Heat
Almost getting over paying $100 more this year for two skids than last year and not even the same pellets. What I don't think I can stomach anymore is the SEVENTY FIVE E-MAILS AND PHONE CALLS between "can you put me on the list for the pre-season buy" and "thank you, the pellets arrived today".
If Amazon starts selling pellets by the skid, I'm serious going to consider it: Click and Get.
I know I'm observing a different world when I read a post comparing pellets, cigars and ammo. I've been living a sheltered life.
If Amazon starts selling pellets by the skid, I'm serious going to consider it: Click and Get.I know I'm observing a different world when I read a post comparing pellets, cigars and ammo.
I've been living a sheltered life.
RhodyPelletRook
Member
Almost getting over paying $100 more this year for two skids than last year and not even the same pellets. What I don't think I can stomach anymore is the SEVENTY FIVE E-MAILS AND PHONE CALLS between "can you put me on the list for the pre-season buy" and "thank you, the pellets arrived today".
I know I'm observing a different world when I read a post comparing pellets, cigars and ammo.
I WONDER IF THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER THEM BY DRONE
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