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hum... maybe, I have SP40_B_V_1_1_115 this is a new Firmware. Piazzetta expect to have a newer firmware soon, this will allow to have auto cleaning in P1 and P2. but I will check wen I receive other stove if the firmware is the solution or not.

regards
 
Hi all, been a while.

Well I am still working with dealer. They set it up to Econo mode at the end of winter last year but did not have a chance to test due to warmer weather. So I ran it this weekend since it is getting cold and it works by reaching a specified temp 26 C and then shuts off to cool off to set temp 24 C then turns back on. Now I am having an issue where the house fills up with smoke between the cycles. What is causing this? My stove is in the basement and the pipe goes up and straight out. Wondering if the pipe outside needs to go up another 4 feet? I feel a backdraft of cold air coming back in through the inside clean out tee at the back of the stove.

Also, someone mentioned to provide my stove settings for some adjustments.

    1. 28’ P1

    2. 05’ P2

    3. 45’ P3

    4. 3.2” P4

    5. 3.8’ P5

    6. 3.3” P6

    7. 4.3” P7

    8. 5.4” P8

    9. 6.5” P9

    10. 7.6” P10

    11. 60” P11

    12. 25” P12

    13. 43 C P13

    14. 174 C P14

    15. 80 C P15

    16. 2000 P16

    17. 205 P17

    18. 1820 P18

    19. 1950 P19

    20. 2100 P20

    21. 2250 P21

    22. 2470 P22

    23. 34 P23

    24. 35 P24

    25. 36 P25

    26. 37 P26

    27. 38 P27

    28. 190 C P28
Thanks for the help.
 
Hi all, been a while.

Well I am still working with dealer. They set it up to Econo mode at the end of winter last year but did not have a chance to test due to warmer weather. So I ran it this weekend since it is getting cold and it works by reaching a specified temp 26 C and then shuts off to cool off to set temp 24 C then turns back on. Now I am having an issue where the house fills up with smoke between the cycles. What is causing this? My stove is in the basement and the pipe goes up and straight out. Wondering if the pipe outside needs to go up another 4 feet? I feel a backdraft of cold air coming back in through the inside clean out tee at the back of the stove.

Also, someone mentioned to provide my stove settings for some adjustments.

    1. 28’ P1

    2. 05’ P2

    3. 45’ P3

    4. 3.2” P4

    5. 3.8’ P5

    6. 3.3” P6

    7. 4.3” P7

    8. 5.4” P8

    9. 6.5” P9

    10. 7.6” P10

    11. 60” P11

    12. 25” P12

    13. 43 C P13

    14. 174 C P14

    15. 80 C P15

    16. 2000 P16

    17. 205 P17

    18. 1820 P18

    19. 1950 P19

    20. 2100 P20

    21. 2250 P21

    22. 2470 P22

    23. 34 P23

    24. 35 P24

    25. 36 P25

    26. 37 P26

    27. 38 P27

    28. 190 C P28
Thanks for the help.
Basement installs are tricky. You may have a low pressure zone where your pipe terminates. Increasing the height may help, but make sure you don't exceed your limit.

As for your settings, they look to be factory settings, unchanged, that match how mine came, except yours are in Centigrade.

I've upped the frequency of grate cleaning as Pascal recommended, and I've tweaked my feed, air and blower settings. My differences are:
1) 20' from 28'
2) 3' from 5'
3) 30' from 45'
...
7) 4.5secs from 4.3
8) 5.7secs from 5.4
9) 6.9secs from 6.5
10) 8.1secs from 7.6
...
16) 2050rpm from 2000
...
18) 2100rpm from 1800
19) 2200rpm from 1950
20) 2350rpm from 2100
21) 2500rpm from 2250
22) 2650rpm from 2470
23) 36 from 34
24) 37 from 35
25) 38 from 36
26) 38 from 37
...
Basically, I upped the feed rate to span the full rated range from 11k btus to 47k btus, by doing some testing on how fast the pellets were being burned on different power settings. To get any where near the 5.7lbs/hr consumption on P5, I had to max the feed rate to 8.1secs on setting 10.

Once I did that, I then had to adjust the air on my stove, using a manometer. I found for my setup I needed far more air than the factory setting. Lastly, I wanted more of that heat to come into the room, so I upped the room blower as noted in Settings 23 to 26.
 
This is a timely post as I just ran across a Used Sabrina last night and am considering buying. However, one of my concerns is that the exhaust outlet is ~7" on center to the floor. that does not leave much room for the T w/cleanout (as shown in an earlier picture). I am not sure about placing it on a "pedestal" as it is already tall - plus the placement would be in my living room, so it might just look weird (and my place already has enough weirdness - LOL)
 
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This is a timely post as I just ran across a Used Sabrina last night and am considering buying. However, one of my concerns is that the exhaust outlet is ~7" on center to the floor. that does not leave much room for the T w/cleanout (as shown in an earlier picture). I am not sure about placing it on a "pedestal" as it is already tall - plus the placement would be in my living room, so it might just look weird (and my place already has enough weirdness - LOL)
My Sabrina vents straight out to a T, before going up. Outside, the T height isn't an issue.
 
My Sabrina vents straight out to a T, before going up. Outside, the T height isn't an issue.

Mine only sits on a stove board that's less than 2" tall. I it goes to a T and then up. There's not much room for cleaning, but it clears the ground just fine. I'm just going to clean mine from the outside.
 
Thanks for the replies about the height!
 
Basement installs are tricky. You may have a low pressure zone where your pipe terminates. Increasing the height may help, but make sure you don't exceed your limit.

As for your settings, they look to be factory settings, unchanged, that match how mine came, except yours are in Centigrade.

I've upped the frequency of grate cleaning as Pascal recommended, and I've tweaked my feed, air and blower settings. My differences are:
1) 20' from 28'
2) 3' from 5'
3) 30' from 45'
...
7) 4.5secs from 4.3
8) 5.7secs from 5.4
9) 6.9secs from 6.5
10) 8.1secs from 7.6
...
16) 2050rpm from 2000
...
18) 2100rpm from 1800
19) 2200rpm from 1950
20) 2350rpm from 2100
21) 2500rpm from 2250
22) 2650rpm from 2470
23) 36 from 34
24) 37 from 35
25) 38 from 36
26) 38 from 37
...
Basically, I upped the feed rate to span the full rated range from 11k btus to 47k btus, by doing some testing on how fast the pellets were being burned on different power settings. To get any where near the 5.7lbs/hr consumption on P5, I had to max the feed rate to 8.1secs on setting 10.

Once I did that, I then had to adjust the air on my stove, using a manometer. I found for my setup I needed far more air than the factory setting. Lastly, I wanted more of that heat to come into the room, so I upped the room blower as noted in Settings 23 to 26.

OK. So I will try to make the changes, I am sure there are some procedures somewhere? Do I need a manometer after making these changes or these change will suffice?

As far as the smoke coming back in, the vendor is not sure about extending the pipe up 4 feet outside would resolve it. They are going to redo my connections inside and put the T clean out on a 45 degree angle so the cap will be accessible to be removed; not sure if it is a good idea. They also mentioned we may need to install another pipe to get the air intake from outside due to negative pressure. He claims my air exchange exit is in the same room which is causing the issue; do I need to turn it off?

Thanks again.
 
OK. So I will try to make the changes, I am sure there are some procedures somewhere? Do I need a manometer after making these changes or these change will suffice?

As far as the smoke coming back in, the vendor is not sure about extending the pipe up 4 feet outside would resolve it. They are going to redo my connections inside and put the T clean out on a 45 degree angle so the cap will be accessible to be removed; not sure if it is a good idea. They also mentioned we may need to install another pipe to get the air intake from outside due to negative pressure. He claims my air exchange exit is in the same room which is causing the issue; do I need to turn it off?

Thanks again.
I recently posted the manual on how to change the settings, but I forgot in which thread. I'll post it below:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ogznqraei...023_E02_USA [MONIA_SABRINA].2012_max.pdf?dl=0

Hope that works, I put the manual in my Dropbox account.

As far as my settings, you can make all the changes, from 1 to 10 and 23 to 26, but the combustion air, settings 18 to 22 need to be your own settings, not mine. Mine are specific for my conditions which are determined by my house and vent location. A manometer can be bought for about $60, online. The above linked manual has the pressure readings you should see, and the procedure to test.

However, even without a manometer, you can try adjusting your combustion air settings. Many threads talk about combustion air and what you should see visually when the air is good. Pellets shouldn't be flying out of the pot, though they can jump when pellets drop into the grate. The flame should be pointy, and active, not lazy.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/sy93k6amkwjomhq/2014-11-02 09.27.23.mov?dl=0

That's my flame, looks lazier than in real life. It's as if the camera picks up the infrared much better than my eyes. I only see the sharp pointy part that's white hot in that video.

The temps of the exhaust gas, which the stove will tell you under "Stove Status" should be in the 200F to 250F range, whatever that is in Celsius. Too low and too hot is not good.

As far as your smoke, that's concerning, but I have no experience with basement installs, other than that others here have commented that they are tricky to get vented correctly.

I'm guessing they mean they'll tilt the T on a 45. That seems totally fine by me.

As for the air intake, by all means, you should definitely consider an OAK, Outside Air Kit, as a first possible solution. The air intake is the slightly diagonal pipe out the back of your stove, you should be able to feel a little suction when the stove is on. I'm not sure what you mean about turning off your air exchanger, do you mean you have an ERV or HRV? If so, then it's possible that they could be exacerbating the negative pressure problem, but it shouldn't if installed correctly. I mean it's an EXCHANGER, air is coming in and the same amount is going out, right? Anyhow, I've seen where people recommend turning down your ERVs and HRVs in the Winter. Not off, but a lower fan setting.

Anyhow, good luck.

If you continue to have difficulty, I would start a new thread with the problem as the title of the thread, because your issue isn't specific to the Piazzetta, but a common problem for basement installs, and then people with experience with tricky basement installations can give you some of their insight.
 
This is a timely post as I just ran across a Used Sabrina last night and am considering buying. However, one of my concerns is that the exhaust outlet is ~7" on center to the floor. that does not leave much room for the T w/cleanout (as shown in an earlier picture). I am not sure about placing it on a "pedestal" as it is already tall - plus the placement would be in my living room, so it might just look weird (and my place already has enough weirdness - LOL)
two answer for you first use a 90 degree cheaper I take mine out for cleaning in the bath tube my wife well any wife will freak out so clean it when you wife is out lol... or 2nd option there is some t that clean out by the side ( ICC chimney ) http://www.icc-rsf.com/main.php?t=chem_produits&i=68&d=
 
Hi all, been a while.

Well I am still working with dealer. They set it up to Econo mode at the end of winter last year but did not have a chance to test due to warmer weather. So I ran it this weekend since it is getting cold and it works by reaching a specified temp 26 C and then shuts off to cool off to set temp 24 C then turns back on. Now I am having an issue where the house fills up with smoke between the cycles. What is causing this? My stove is in the basement and the pipe goes up and straight out. Wondering if the pipe outside needs to go up another 4 feet? I feel a backdraft of cold air coming back in through the inside clean out tee at the back of the stove.

Also, someone mentioned to provide my stove settings for some adjustments.

    1. 28’ P1

    2. 05’ P2

    3. 45’ P3

    4. 3.2” P4

    5. 3.8’ P5

    6. 3.3” P6

    7. 4.3” P7

    8. 5.4” P8

    9. 6.5” P9

    10. 7.6” P10

    11. 60” P11

    12. 25” P12

    13. 43 C P13

    14. 174 C P14

    15. 80 C P15

    16. 2000 P16

    17. 205 P17

    18. 1820 P18

    19. 1950 P19

    20. 2100 P20

    21. 2250 P21

    22. 2470 P22

    23. 34 P23

    24. 35 P24

    25. 36 P25

    26. 37 P26

    27. 38 P27

    28. 190 C P28
Thanks for the help.
first it is not possible for program 20,21 and 22 to be higher than the program 16
if you are using a tool to adjust your stove like a magnehelic mine is scale in Kpascal
at program 16 you should reach 110 Kp this is the higher point of setting
p20 should be 75 Kp, p21 should be 85 Kp, p22 should be 95 Kp
the rpm to reach the Kp depends on the air tight of the house older house will have lower rpm output
newer houses will have higher rpm output
but one ting is for Shure 20,21,22 settings are wrong compared to prog 16
but although 16 seem to be low I looked at all of my customer records none are under 2300rpm top one is 2700rpm
only two have very old houses are around 1900rpm
and it is very hard to adjust without a proper tool.
 
Hi sorry if these questions when is the hundred times or I just don't understand how to get into the programs settings. I am trying to turn up my room fan so it is always higher than the factory settings. Can somebody explain to me how?
 
Hold Down + all the way to the right, Scroll and select "Menu Parameters" with the "Set Button", Select "Factory Settings".

From there scroll with the + button all the way to the left until you get to E9 (if you hold down the + it goes faster), One there use the + and - all the way to the right to scroll through the different options
 
Hold Down + all the way to the right, Scroll and select "Menu Parameters" with the "Set Button", Select "Factory Settings".

From there scroll with the + button all the way to the left until you get to E9 (if you hold down the + it goes faster), One there use the + and - all the way to the right to scroll through the different options

Thank you for the help but now its asking for code access?
 
Will any custom settings default to factory if there is a 2 second power outage? My Monia tripped during a very fast power outage and read "energy saving OK" before continuing to burn.
 
Will any custom settings default to factory if there is a 2 second power outage? My Monia tripped during a very fast power outage and read "energy saving OK" before continuing to burn.
I've had power outages while Monia was running and the settings stayed the way I had it set up. My stove also displayed "energy saving OK"
 
Ok this is strange. After tripping I had to restart it hot, and indicated, "NO LIGHTING".

From Manual: "If the readout NO LIGHTING appears on the display during the startup stage (and the buzzer activates, if set), it means that the sensor installed on the ue gas outlet detects no temperature rise (sign that the combustion process has not been triggered) or the pellet hopper is empty. The stove goes into the alarm status."


Was the stove too hot to ignite and start up again?

It successfully started after fully shutting down, thus bypassing the error.
 
If you shut your stove off, and immediately try to turn it back on manually, it will not and you will get an error message it as to cool down to 40°C before it can start back. after a power outage it will go back on by it self you must not try to interfere.
 
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