What to do about ticks?

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You don't want to mess with Lyme. When you search on that, you find a huge laundry list of things it has been associated with. Among these is what is generally called "Lyme Carditis." Lyme can interfere with passing of electrical signals within the heart. This happens in only a few percent of the reported cases of Lyme. I suspect it was the case with me last summer. Around this time last year, I had some mildly debilitating bug, which I thought might be a mild flu. Later in August I noticed that my pulse was somewhat irregular, with what I felt at my wrist to be the occasional missed beat. My doctor told me he heard what I think now were PVCs, early contractions of the ventricles, which pumped next to nothing but required a repolarization interval before the next beat could occur. In early September I felt what I learned later were "pauses," where the heart literally flatlined, after the doc had me wear a 24-hr monitor. The longest pause was nearly four seconds. Boy, you do notice that! The doc thought I might be a candidate for a pacemaker. I wondered if my days were numbered.

I mentioned Lyme to him, after my son (in Maine) had looked it up after his daughter had been treated for Lyme. The doc admitted he hadn't thought of Lyme, so we drew more blood. He also referred me to a cardiologist. Two hours before the cardiologist appointment, the phone report on the blood test came back positive for Lyme, and I was put on doxycycline for two weeks. Meanwhile, I wasn't having any more heart pauses, but an atrial flutter had developed, where the atria were beating three times for every one of the ventricles. That went on until just after Halloween, when my heart reverted to normal sinus rhythm all by itself. I've been fine since. The cardiologist still doesn't think that Lyme was the cause of the heart arrhythmia, according to the numbers and the fact that five years before I had developed a 4:1 atrial flutter. That was ended by electric cardioversion. But the cardiologist admitted that we'll never know if Lyme was the culprit. Considering the fact that the Lyme happened at the same time and that the nature of the irregularity in the heart beat kept changing until the flutter developed, then vanished entirely on its own (which mostly happens in the cases of Lyme carditis after treatment), I have to suspect the connection.
 
If you process wood/scrounge in the northeast, you've probably had to deal with ticks/lyme disease concerns. I just started heating with wood when I moved out of the city, and all my previous woods experience was outside of tick country, so I'm trying to figure out the best way to deal with these suckers. (I've pulled three deer tick nymphs off me so far this season.)

Short of avoiding the woods during high tick season (which I understand to be late spring/early summer where I am), what do you all do about this? I know there's lots of members of this forum in places like CT, NJ, MA, NY. I'd be grateful for anyone's input.

I recently invested in a pair of work pants and work shirt from Insect Shield, which come pre-treated with Permethrin. Apparently that chemical is effective against ticks as well as mosquitoes and other bugs, and the treatment should last 70 washes (essentially the life of the garment). I haven't had much experience with them yet, but will let you all know what I find with these. Anyone have any experience with Permethrin, or any other solutions they prefer?

Thanks in advance.
Love that insect shield. I bought a whole wardrobe after I contracted lymes a second time. Not fun. I use Maxi Deet as well (99%) but be certain to wash it off at day's end.
 
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You don't want to mess with Lyme. When you search on that, you find a huge laundry list of things it has been associated with. Among these is what is generally called "Lyme Carditis." Lyme can interfere with passing of electrical signals within the heart. This happens in only a few percent of the reported cases of Lyme. I suspect it was the case with me last summer. Around this time last year, I had some mildly debilitating bug, which I thought might be a mild flu. Later in August I noticed that my pulse was somewhat irregular, with what I felt at my wrist to be the occasional missed beat. My doctor told me he heard what I think now were PVCs, early contractions of the ventricles, which pumped next to nothing but required a repolarization interval before the next beat could occur. In early September I felt what I learned later were "pauses," where the heart literally flatlined, after the doc had me wear a 24-hr monitor. The longest pause was nearly four seconds. Boy, you do notice that! The doc thought I might be a candidate for a pacemaker. I wondered if my days were numbered.

I mentioned Lyme to him, after my son (in Maine) had looked it up after his daughter had been treated for Lyme. The doc admitted he hadn't thought of Lyme, so we drew more blood. He also referred me to a cardiologist. Two hours before the cardiologist appointment, the phone report on the blood test came back positive for Lyme, and I was put on doxycycline for two weeks. Meanwhile, I wasn't having any more heart pauses, but an atrial flutter had developed, where the atria were beating three times for every one of the ventricles. That went on until just after Halloween, when my heart reverted to normal sinus rhythm all by itself. I've been fine since. The cardiologist still doesn't think that Lyme was the cause of the heart arrhythmia, according to the numbers and the fact that five years before I had developed a 4:1 atrial flutter. That was ended by electric cardioversion. But the cardiologist admitted that we'll never know if Lyme was the culprit. Considering the fact that the Lyme happened at the same time and that the nature of the irregularity in the heart beat kept changing until the flutter developed, then vanished entirely on its own (which mostly happens in the cases of Lyme carditis after treatment), I have to suspect the connection.
Diane Rehm on npr recently had a show dedicated to Lyme. Google it. You can listen to it for free. She also had a show addressing Lyme last year. On one of the shows a doctor and scientist discussed his personal experience with Lyme in the 90s. His went misdiagnosed for years and had a terrible effect on his heart. I'm very glad to hear you caught this early enough that you are recovering well. Lyme is such a strange disease. It is under diagnosed, research is under funded, doctors do not agree on treatment methods, long term Ly,e is oddly controversial and not covered by insurance companies, and there is no test to actually positively identify the disease (currently they only rely on blood tests revealing antibodies) - I've heard experts with conspiracy theories stating the government created it on Plumb Island, as well as other experts who say ancient archeology reveals people had it thousands of years ago- it is such a strange disease. My wife and I both currently have it. Most common belief is that it is not spread from person to person, but a recent study shows it may spread sexually. It's such a weird ailment and is absolutely plaguing Long Island right now. The deer and tick population is out of control here.
 
My brother's friend got Lyme before any one really knew what it was. It went mis-diagnosed for a long time and his health went down hill. It got into his central nervous system. He has nasty long-term effects. He has to sleep with a rope-and-pulley system supporting parts of his body to get comfortable enough to sleep.
 
Permethrin works great, I bought a gallon jug of concentrate, and dilute it to the appropriate mix for clothing treatment. For my bush tramping clothes I treat a little heavier than regular clothing, and never worry about ticks. Earlier this year I put a tick on my heavily treated clothing, and the tick was basically dead to the world in 10 minutes.
 
Thanks, Batman. I have a cat so I keep my permethrin outfit in a locker in the garage. I'm also counting the days until cat freedom, but it'll probably be years, unfortunately. On the one hand, the cat kills lots of small rodents that are tick vectors. On the other hand, the cat comes in and out of the house and I cringe to think of it bringing in ticks. Maybe the permethrin can solve my cat AND tick problems...

I found the kits you mentioned (appear to all be made by "Sawyer"), but it says it is only good for 6 weeks or 6 washings. That's still pretty good, and it's cheaper than sending your clothes to Insect Shield to have them treated. Amazon also sells a spray kit (rather than a soaking kit), so I might check that out too. I'm pasting links here if anyone is interested.

http://www.chinookmed.com/cgi-bin/i...ection/-Sawyer-Permethrin-Soak-Treatment-Kit-

http://www.amazon.com/Sawyer-Produc...p/B001ANQVYU/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top?ie=UTF8

I use Sawyers .5% permethrin on all the clothes I wear working in the woods, including areas known to have plenty of ticks. No probs so far.

It's my understanding that the aerosol of wet spray is poisonous to cats. Once it's dry, no longer a threat to cats.
 
I use Sawyers .5% permethrin on all the clothes I wear working in the woods, including areas known to have plenty of ticks. No probs so far.

It's my understanding that the aerosol of wet spray is poisonous to cats. Once it's dry, no longer a threat to cats.
Thanks, that makes sense.
 
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It's my understanding that the aerosol of wet spray is poisonous to cats. Once it's dry, no longer a threat to cats.

This was my impression as well. Keep the cat away until items are dry, works for us, and the cat hasn't complained.;lol
 
Well there goes that plan. Drat, foiled again!




j/k. The d*#ned cats do keep mice and squirrels in check. The hairballs and piles of barf they leave us are just gravy.
 
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I never even knew what a Tick looked like until 2001, and my area very quickly became infested with them. I began to dread my almost daily ventures into the woods. I had a suspected Lyme infection in April 2004, and I did have Lyme in April 2012. It became normal to pick at least a dozen ticks off my clothes after a venture into the woods or tall grass for firewood gathering, fishing, or just exploring. Pulling ticks off me with tweezers became a ritual after coming home from the woods. Funny thing is though.. How many ticks have I found on me in 2015?

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Go figure.
 
Sorry, but here I go... You heard about the guy who died from using Viagra? ...they couldn't close the coffin!
 
I echo others. Permethrin is the way to go! Soak your clothes in it and let it dry. I don't go in the woods without it. I was bit on the back by a lodestar tick as a kid and got Rocky Mountain spotted fever(Lyme disease isn't normally contracted in this region)
 
If you own the property, take control of what lives on it. The biggest carrier of ticks is mice, not deer. Kill the mice. Place many weather proof bait traps around your house and in the woods. Mice get around. They will find them and eat the poison.
 
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what '78 said... and a yearly dose of Allectus in June really keeps them at bay. Every one of my neighbors has trouble with ticks, and most have had Lyme. But in 4 years of working outside almost daily, I've never picked up a tick on my property.
 
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Another vote for permethrin - I use sawyer's spray application and hit the cuffs and collars of all my clothes twice. The biggest danger in our case was ticks brought in by the pets because (yeah, yeah, yeah) our two dogs sleep at the foot of our bed every night. I bought them those seresto collars and the incident of tick bites for us went down 100% overnight.
 
DEET is your very good friend, Apply liberally. Permethrin is also your friend. As above, buy it in bulk concentrate at your nearest Ag Store. Treat all of your pets with Frontline or other anti-tick medication ALL-YEAR-LONG. There are highs and lows with ticks, but ticks can be active just about any time of year on any day that gets above freezing. If ever in doubt, see your doctor and get a single dose of doxycyline. I live in PA in an ULTA- HIGHLY endemic area, and I've made it 15+ years without getting lyme, even though we live out in the woods.
 
Next time you go to the doctor ask for a doxycycline prescription. It's better to have it on hand if you need it. The gelcap version seems to be a little easier on my stomach.
 
I never even knew what a Tick looked like until 2001, and my area very quickly became infested with them. I began to dread my almost daily ventures into the woods. I had a suspected Lyme infection in April 2004, and I did have Lyme in April 2012. It became normal to pick at least a dozen ticks off my clothes after a venture into the woods or tall grass for firewood gathering, fishing, or just exploring. Pulling ticks off me with tweezers became a ritual after coming home from the woods. Funny thing is though.. How many ticks have I found on me in 2015?

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Go figure.
I live in Petersburgh,NY in Taconic Valley and I too have found no ticks this year. Maybe colder and more precipitous winter last year?
 
North shore of lake erie here they were pretty bad this yr here. Mostly dog ticks not dear ticks me and my dog were bittem by this yr
 
If you own the property, take control of what lives on it. The biggest carrier of ticks is mice, not deer. Kill the mice. Place many weather proof bait traps around your house and in the woods. Mice get around. They will find them and eat the poison.


Yep.

Also put out tick tubes.

6-8" sections of 1 1/2" or 2" PVC pipe (the lightweight stuff is fine, doesn't matter), stuffed with cotton soaked in permethrin , Let the cotton dry before you stuff it in the tubes. Put these tubes where mice can find them. They steal the cotton for nesting material, and the permethrin kills the tick nymphs on the mice. Kill the ticks, and you break the cycle.

This is really cheap to do.
 
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