Heating small cabin with wood?

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Nate R

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Nov 5, 2015
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ImI'm EARLY in the design stages of a small cabin for occasional use (Not full time.) It will be off-grid, and likely 16 x 20, possibly with a loft. It will be in the woods, and thus I would like to heat with wood to keep it warm when I visit during hunting season or in the Wisconsin winter to snowmobile, snowshoe, etc. So, a large mass heater like a rocket mass heater seems out, since I need something that can heat up in a reasonable amount of time on a weekend, but not something that heats me right out of the tiny cabin.

From what I can understand, the new EPA regs mean that stoves can't really smolder much. Many of the MINIMUM BTU ratings shown in the EPA approved list for many of the wood stoves are around 10,000 BTU. I assume much less than that and you start making too much soot and smoke.

Any suggestions on how to heat a small 16X20 cabin with wood? Seems any wood stove sold today is going to be TOO large for this space. The obvious alternative is something like the NSW Sardine or Little Cod. But even those show a 10K BTU minimum in the EPA sheet, which leads me to believe that I'll end up with a small firebox that I have to refill every 2 hours to keep heat pumping out, since I can't choke even those down enough to last a while/reduce the BTU output.

I did notice many of the cat wood stoves do better at the minimum, some as low as 8000 BTU. But many of those are still somewhat large and seem like overkill for normal firing in that space.

Any thoughts on this? Should I actually consider a conventional fireplace instead? Or is there some other alternative? Is there a small NON-EPA approved stove available anymore? I guess I'd ideally like something that can do 5000 to maybe 15-20,000 BTU, and burn for 4+ hours. Or do I leave a cabin less insulated, or do I have to build bigger just to heat with wood?

Thanks, seems like a knowledgeable group here!

-Nate
 
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ImI'm EARLY in the design stages of a small cabin for occasional use (Not full time.) It will be off-grid, and likely 16 x 20, possibly with a loft. It will be in the woods, and thus I would like to heat with wood to keep it warm when I visit during hunting season or in the Wisconsin winter to snowmobile, snowshoe, etc. So, a large mass heater like a rocket mass heater seems out, since I need something that can heat up in a reasonable amount of time on a weekend, but not something that heats me right out of the tiny cabin.

From what I can understand, the new EPA regs mean that stoves can't really smolder much. Many of the MINIMUM BTU ratings shown in the EPA approved list for many of the wood stoves are around 10,000 BTU. I assume much less than that and you start making too much soot and smoke.

Any suggestions on how to heat a small 16X20 cabin with wood? Seems any wood stove sold today is going to be TOO large for this space. The obvious alternative is something like the NSW Sardine or Little Cod. But even those show a 10K BTU minimum in the EPA sheet, which leads me to believe that I'll end up with a small firebox that I have to refill every 2 hours to keep heat pumping out, since I can't choke even those down enough to last a while/reduce the BTU output.

I did notice many of the cat wood stoves do better at the minimum, some as low as 8000 BTU. But many of those are still somewhat large and seem like overkill for normal firing in that space.

Any thoughts on this? Should I actually consider a conventional fireplace instead? Or is there some other alternative? Is there a small NON-EPA approved stove available anymore? I guess I'd ideally like something that can do 5000 to maybe 15-20,000 BTU, and burn for 4+ hours. Or do I leave a cabin less insulated, or do I have to build bigger just to heat with wood?

Thanks, seems like a knowledgeable group here!

-Nate
I know the max heat is way above your needs but that's all advertising - ever look at these from Morso?

http://www.morsona.com/morsoe-2b-standard
 
Sure, but I'm worried the low fire level will still cook us out in fall with any of these stoves.
Sure. In my limited experience, that's a possibility no matter how big or small the house or stove. I've learned quickly to adjust by using small softwood splits when a lesser burn is dictated by the temperature but sometimes I still drive my wife, the dogs and the fat cat right out of the stove room (skinny cat will sit practically ON the stove).

That's when I open a window...
 
Maybe the England 17-vl. I loved mine it just turned out to be too small. I think it's good up to around 1000 sq ft. Not gonna be an all night burner though. I think I may have got 5 hours once
 
I am heating a well insulated 750 sq ft with a Morso 1410.
This time of year it means lighting a fire in the morning and evening when it's below freezing at night. It can warm the place up a few degrees in just a few minutes. With a good fire the stove top temp will be 700F (That fire is very close to the top of the stove) and it will give off noticeable heat for about 4hrs but you can hold the temp down to 400F for a longer burn. Depending on the wood size and type you can have a hot stove for a few minutes or several hours.
If you go the small stove route you will spend more time loading and monitoring it and use a fair amount of kindling but with practice you can hold a very steady temperature inside.
Another plus is that a small stove takes up little space.
 
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Depending on the wood size and type you can have a hot stove for a few minutes or several hours.
If you go the small stove route you will spend more time loading and monitoring it and use a fair amount of kindling but with practice you can hold a very steady temperature inside.
Another plus is that a small stove takes up little space.

This is what I'm starting to think the more I read......Sure, I'll have to tend it more and load it more than a larger stove, but I also am not living with it full time, and would appreciate the space.....Thinking that double-walled flue would help any concerns of overheating even on low. And the more I read the more I'm thinking a bigger issue is heating up a place when I get there and it's cold...... Good to hear some feedback from a 1410 user!
 
We heat up our cabin (900 sq ft) from just above freezing almost every weekend in the winter. It takes a good couple of hours to get the stove room decently warm, and up to 24 hrs before everything is warm (walls, furniture, etc). Insulation is almost non-existent.

The small stove with excellent insulation is probably a good route. You don't have to worry as much about burn times. I also regulate heat in the bedroom by keeping the door to the bedroom closed after it gets to temp.
 
The amount of insulation will make a huge difference to what you need to burn. As said, depending on the cabin size, heating a frozen cabin to comfortably temps does take many hours. I would heat my place, well insulated 1600 square ft from 45 degrees F. About 3 degrees an hour. Now I have the thermostat switch to 65 F , Friday 11am. But, that said at 400 square ft it may not be a big issue. I've seen those Morso in a room you size. It worked well.
 
This is tough to do comfortably. I have a 16x20 hunting cabin in northern Maine that I use mainly in October and November. It's easy to feed the stove one or two splits at a time during the day to keep it warm but when you try to fill it for an overnight burn the cabin temps get way too hot. I've been just keeping it comfortable until bedtime and then go to bed with an extra blanket knowing it'll be cool in the morning. But, after the fire is started in the morning it's nice and warm again with 60-90 minutes.
 
Wisconsin winters? Is overheating really a concern?
 
Wisconsin winters? Is overheating really a concern?
Thinking more of shoulder season, when I'd be hunting. If it gets to be 25-35 degrees at night, rough design calcs show a need for only 7-8K BTU to maintain 70 degrees. . When most stoves during EPA testing show a minimum BTU of 10-12000, I get concerned that we'll roast.
 
I heat a 600sq/ft cabin plus loft with a small Quadrafire Yosemite. We use it in the winter and bring it up to temp from below freezing in a couple hours. The loft is always too warm, but we'll crack a window while we sleep.

If I bought a new stove, I would look at a small BK for the lower temp longer burns. I can't get through the night on a load with mine.
 
I have a small ( 16x20 ) uninsulated cabin that I need to heat in the dead of winter . I have free available wood on the property so that's what I'll use . I'm looking at a small steel stove that will heat up quickly & if it gets to warm I'll also open a window . There are drawbacks to whatever source of heat or size/type of stove you use . For my occasional weekend use during frigid temps, a stove that warms up quickly trumps other options.............
 
I think that 10k rating is with a full load of wood at the lowest setting for a sustained burn...

If you only fill the firebox halfway, you'll get less BTUs.
 
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