New Central Boiler Classic Edge

maple1 said:

I can't see how chains can clean tubes very good at all.

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I'm wondering about the same thing, and was interested to see what CB says about the procedure. My Tarm does not have turbs, but does have chain turbulators that I made. The chains work very well as turbs but not at all to clean the tubes, no matter how much rattling of the chains I would do. I manually brush with an after market brush that tightly fits the tubes. It scrubs the tubes quite well.

jebatty said:

Do you rattle the chains back and forth, or up and down, in the tubes for cleaning the tubes? Is there any other recommended procedure to clean the tubes in addition to the chains?

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I did get some pictures from the access point for the chains, you rattle them back and forth, the tubes runs vertical so gravity does most of the work for you. Nothing else is recommended for cleaning the tubes.

Oconto Wood Burner said:

I did get some pictures from the access point for the chains, you rattle them back and forth, the tubes runs vertical so gravity does most of the work for you. Nothing else is recommended for cleaning the tubes.

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I would consider getting a probe flue thermometer, and putting it in the pipe just outside the breach, or as close to the boiler as it can easily be put and seen. Then watch the temps over a period of time, day to day, week to week, at consistent stages of the burn. Most of us can see tubes in need of brushing by a rise in pipe temps.

Would also be quite interested in the results.

When the heating season is over I'll be giving the stove a real good cleaning, I be taking the tube's access panel off to check on them and clean them better if they need it, I'll post pictures of the process. Been a couple of days with the new stove hooked up and I'm liking it so far. I will be putting a thermometer on and take notes on the temps.

You won't be liking it when the fire box starts to fire corrode and all that water starts pissing on your fire. Three years, three repairs and a warranty that is worth approximately 8 BTU's.. Sorry to be a downer...best of luck with that Central Leaker.

We all dog CB pretty badly around here but you have to admit they seem to be trying to get better?? Even if it is only because they are being forced by new EPA requirements.

All around me I see 15+ year old CB's running year after year. While there are certainly some horror stories like Weimar I think the general feeling I get is that they are a solid boiler for what they are. People aren't (or weren't) buying these things to be efficient. CB made it's claim to fame by being the company that built a boiler you could "throw just about anything in" and have it run a day or two between loadings. That's what people wanted, that's what they build.

I bet we can all agree that the responsible wood burners on this site are a discriminating minority among wood burners. Our disdain for the OWB crowd probably comes off as rather elitist to the outside observer!

And last...at least Central Boilers are made right here in the USA. That's gotta be worth something? Maybe 10btu....

"they seem to be trying to get better?" In which way??
"And last...at least Central Boilers are made right here in the USA. That's gotta be worth something?" Nope, not even 10 btu's. These guys wouldn't even answer my calls or emails after they realized what was going on..I appreciate their employees and like to keep my American $$ right here in the USA, but they(CB) do not respect that idea the same way that you and I do. If they did, they would have some integrity and offer some little bit of help.
Read the thread below, I will be making some additions to it this weekend after I finish my welding and grinding....

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/e-classic-2400-probs.137673/

Did not mean to hijack this thread, just want us all to be fully informed about the decisions that we might make and have learned a shite load on this forum...good on you guys!

The Weimar

The Weimar said:

"they seem to be trying to get better?" In which way??
"And last...at least Central Boilers are made right here in the USA. That's gotta be worth something?" Nope, not even 10 btu's. These guys wouldn't even answer my calls or emails after they realized what was going on..I appreciate their employees and like to keep my American $$ right here in the USA, but they(CB) do not respect that idea the same way that you and I do. If they did, they would have some integrity and offer some little bit of help.
Read the thread below, I will be making some additions to it this weekend after I finish my welding and grinding....

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/e-classic-2400-probs.137673/

Did not mean to hijack this thread, just want us all to be fully informed about the decisions that we might make and have learned a shite load on this forum...good on you guys!

The Weimar

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I'd probably feel the same way as you in your position, Weimar. Hopefully our friend with the Classic Edge here doesn't suffer the same fate...

Stee, I agree completely. I only wish that I had discovered this site before going off the deep end myself. When I saw the pics of the exhaust pipe, I said Ugh....he is in for it. Having said that, i believe that most of the forum users are astute enough to only "DOG" the doggee if they deserve it. What do you think they mean by "Classic Edge"?

The Weimar

The Weimar said:

You won't be liking it when the fire box starts to fire corrode and all that water starts pissing on your fire. Three years, three repairs and a warranty that is worth approximately 8 BTU's.. Sorry to be a downer...best of luck with that Central Leaker.

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+1
Sounds like Classic Edge will be another E-Classic or Heiss boiler story

You know most of the time you only hear the bad when it comes to products, not the good. The number of e classics that are out there in the market place is Pretty large I would think. When people have issues like you they typically come on forums and talk about it. You are the only one that has come on here to say that you have had an issue. I would say that compared to the number of e classics out there and you are the only unfortunate person to have an issue that one bad lemon in the bunch is going to happen. I don't agree with how they handled you at all though, a good company would realize that the product manufacturing was flawed on their end and did the right thing for you.

Hey racer of Hondas, if you haven't already, check out the thread. https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/e-classic-2400-probs.137673/
I would like to hear some good stories much more than the bad, wouldn't you? Lots of good stuff on here about Tarm, Orlan, etc... Not alot of good about CB. Again, I can deal with stuff breaking down but, a lack of service is not what you build a business on. I get plenty of "COLD SHOULDER" at home, I don't need it from CB......

The Weim

This forum is for all intents and purposes an indoor gasser forum. That is why everyone talks about them. Go to outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com forum which is actually an outdoor boiler forum and you will see that central boiler is for the most part very reliable.

hondaracer2oo4 said:

This forum is for all intents and purposes an indoor gasser forum. That is why everyone talks about them. Go to outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com forum which is actually an outdoor boiler forum and you will see that central boiler is for the most part very reliable.

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My apologies, after a year of being a member and watching this forum, I had no idea that this was indoors only, I will check that site out and maybe take some names....by the way, Central Boiler's customer service sucks on this site, just like it will at this "outdoors only" site that you refer to.

Not sure if either of you have ever noticed but if it isn't an indoor gasser or an indoor gasser located in its own building not many people like it here.... I own an outdoor wood boiler gasser by the way, a Heatmaster G200. I ran a Hardy H4 conventional for 5 years before that.

The fact that people don't "like" owb gassers or non gasser owbs here, along with the fact that a small number of us on this forum own them, little to no good info is given out about them on this site.

And the rest of the story, they aren't liked around here....

How not to win friends and influence people, yes?
And by the way, you must not be looking too closely at that 3rd class site that you recommended earlier...
There are hundreds of posts on there about how bad the central boiler products are. Loads of eclassic owners that have more leaks than the Titanic....
Gents, I think we have identified a troll

The Weimar

So I just did a search on outdoorwoodfurnaceinfo.com forum. I searched Central Boiler Leak. It came back with 58 threads, some talking about central boilers that had a leak, some different boilers that had leaks and some various other threads. Could you point to the 'Hundreds' of threads that you have pointed out? Secondly what makes it a third class website, it isn't full of ads paid to the forum owners that I have to look at every time I open the Hearth forum? Thirdly how am I a Troll? I simply tried to offer a larger perspective on the fact that all central boiler builds ALOT of stoves and you are going to have some lemons in the bunch.