Got my electric bil today

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bcarton

Feeling the Heat
Oct 15, 2014
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Pelham, NH
I'm one of those electric heat guys. Today the latest bill came in the mail. It was the lowest bill we've ever received in almost 20 years of living in this house, a few pennies over $150. Usually the December bill is $500-600, heading towards $$700-900 for the next three months. Burned less than a ton since October 1.

All you folks with oil heat, I know you're disappointed that you're not saving money by burning pellets this year. But I'm saving $$$ hand over fist, and The house is 75 deg instead of 65-66 deg.

Thank you,hearth.com for all the guidance and techy know-how. What a great resource. You've saved me so many dollars, and we're so much warmer.
 
Yep, that's the way I feel with having propane - prices are still ridiculous here and I got 150 gallons for $500 last month. That 150 gallons would last me about 15 days - in a good month. I've gone thru a bit over a ton since beginning of October. Oh, not only have a warmer house, but heating the basement too (FHW pipes aren't run down there, so can't heat that with the propane).

Glad you found a huge savings!
 
Glad to hear you have savings... What was your price per ton so we can figure out how much farther you're ahead?
 
h.c. strikes again. ==c
 
Just got my bill and the average daily temp for 25Oct to 25Nov was 5 degrees warmer than last year here.
Winter electric rate isn't supposed to go up much this year 01Jan-01Jun either. Every little bit helps.
 
Its good you are happy, I think we are all happy given the unusually warm weather so far in the region.
 
I cant actually say im saving money burning pellets instead of turning on the electric.
But it is a hell of alot warmer with the pellets! So even if the cost equals out its worth it in my mind.

Not being suprised by the next light bill being 3 times more than the last is a plus. Money is tight as always and even more so this time of year.

Atleast with pellet you know pretty much exactly how much you are using all of the time once you get used to running the stove.
 
What was your price per ton so we can figure out how much farther you're ahead?

I paid $265/ton. The winter rate for electricity from my supplier this year is $.1782 per kWh. So depending on which online calculator I use, pellets would have to cost at least $600/ton to equal the cost of electric heat.

Last year was much worse; our total cost per kWh was over $.23. Several people around here were getting $1100-1200 electric bills. There are a lot of mid-70's homes in this town, running electric heat. My typical February-March usage was anywhere from 3900-4200 kWh.
 
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I'm one of those electric heat guys. Today the latest bill came in the mail. It was the lowest bill we've ever received in almost 20 years of living in this house, a few pennies over $150. Usually the December bill is $500-600, heading towards $$700-900 for the next three months. Burned less than a ton since October 1.

All you folks with oil heat, I know you're disappointed that you're not saving money by burning pellets this year. But I'm saving $$$ hand over fist, and The house is 75 deg instead of 65-66 deg.

Thank you,hearth.com for all the guidance and techy know-how. What a great resource. You've saved me so many dollars, and we're so much warmer.

Now the DEA will be notified that you probably shut down your indoor grow operation! :)
 
I'm an electric heat guy too and IMHO electric heat sucks all the way around no matter which system or how it is delivered. Even if it was dirt cheap the heat would still suck. Can't stand it. As we all know it costs a boat load of cash just to keep things half way warm at best.

Pellets or wood is a much better heat here. Geo thermal is also over rated. Good for cooling but very mediocre for heat. Heating with Geo usually requires heavy use of a heat pack (electric) which is self defeating IMO. The buy in and system set up costs are ridiculous also. Geo does have its benefits a good qualities but is not the end all be all answer.

I'm very happy with pellet heat overall. Just hope these pellet manufacturers and suppliers keep it real because once the costs get out of line then myself and many others will be heating with alternatives. I love cheap oil and propane prices even though I can not directly benefit from them. It keeps pressure on the pellet price gouging. I hope TSC, Home Depot, Lowe's and all of them take it on the chin this heating season with their crappy pellets and excessive prices on them this year. They are simply doing bad business. Charging much more for inferior product.
 
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I'm one of those electric heat guys. Today the latest bill came in the mail. It was the lowest bill we've ever received in almost 20 years of living in this house, a few pennies over $150. Usually the December bill is $500-600, heading towards $$700-900 for the next three months. Burned less than a ton since October 1.

All you folks with oil heat, I know you're disappointed that you're not saving money by burning pellets this year. But I'm saving $$$ hand over fist, and The house is 75 deg instead of 65-66 deg.

Thank you,hearth.com for all the guidance and techy know-how. What a great resource. You've saved me so many dollars, and we're so much warmer.

Agreed on all points! I'm in a very similar situation. First year in an early 80s, 1500 sq ft house, with electric baseboards. Our first January resulted in an $380 electric bill! Much lower than yours but still shocking to me! That was no heat in two out of three bedrooms, the house at 48 when no one was home, kitchen and living room at 64 when we were home, and bedroom at 67 at night. After further reductions we got it to about $280 for Feb and March. Oh, and about $100/mo in kerosene ($4.89/gal at a local station) for our 23k BTU heater that got the living room and bedroom to a comfortable temp in the evenings and on the weekends. AND, we burned, I'd estimate a half cord of old, wet wood, plus some store-bought wood and some biobricks in an old VC Vigilant (which got replaced with the pellet stove). That probably amounted to probably another $200. So all that money just to be uncomfortable for three months, and having my wife complaining nearly constantly about being cold. Being warm... yeah, that wasn't in our budget!

Now the pellet stove burns 24/7 even when it's in the 50s outside. House is actually comfortable. Still use the kerosene heater to bump up the 2nd level living room and 3rd level bedroom a bit (pellet stove is on the bottom level of a three level split-level) when my wife gets cold but it's only needed really for 30 minutes at the most. We also run a small oil-filled electric space heater in the bedroom to keep it at 70 at night (the base board is at the head of our bed... potentially unsafe and definitely uncomfortable to use). Last month's electric bill was $133, we burned just about $100 in pellets and about $10 in K1, but we were comfortable! The house stays between 68 and 70 (stove room is about 6 degrees warmer). As the temps fall in the next few months, the pellet use will go up certainly, but it will not be nearly as much as we'd be spending on electricity.

My next investment will be one of those heat pump electric hot water heaters. Take advantage of the pellet heat in the winter and cool/dry the lowest level in the summer. I'll let the technology improve a bit before I buy. My current unit is only 3 years old, bought by the previous owner.

Bags, that's an interesting bit about geothermal. I've got a good friend with a neighbor that installed geothermal in their newly built home. Worked great in the summer to cool, and also worked well in the shoulder season for heat, but they ended up with a $500+ electric or propane bill (can't remember which) during January-March last year. Of course, last winter was absolutely brutal, but still... I would have expected better.

Such a great resource here. Thanks to the reading I've done here over the years, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when I finally bought a house: wood or pellet heat depending on the house. This lead me to finding a good deal on a place with electric heat which would have probably scared a lot of people away.
 
I have been heating my house in Northern NH with a minisplit heat pumps so far this season. Folks get confused with run of the mill central heating and cooling heat pumps and minisplits that are optimized for cold weather heating. The minisplits are quite popular in eastern maine where the temps are as cold or colder than my place. They also are far more efficient for cooling as there is no duct loss.
 
My next investment will be one of those heat pump electric hot water heaters.

I'd advise you to take a look at the hybrid gas water heaters. We installed one about 4 years ago and have never been happier. They can use propane or NG. You can even run radiate floor systems from the same unit. Mine is an Eternal but there are other makes out there. They are not totally tankless but only have a two gallon tank. Everything stainless steel and covered for 30 years. Two baths, clothes washer, dish washer and three teenagers and never out of hot water.
 
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I have been heating my house in Northern NH with a minisplit heat pumps so far this season. Folks get confused with run of the mill central heating and cooling heat pumps and minisplits that are optimized for cold weather heating. The minisplits are quite popular in eastern maine where the temps are as cold or colder than my place. They also are far more efficient for cooling as there is no duct loss.

I thought I heard even the central heat pump systems have been getting better in this regard by using variable speed pumps and what not. I've got an aging (20 years approx) central AC system with an air handler in the attic. I'd love to use some of those incentives provided by the electric utility to replace it with a new heat pump/AC system. I suppose a mini-split system would work too especially if they have different size air handlers - smaller ones for two bedrooms and two larger ones for common areas. Or perhaps it would be two separate systems at that point. Either way it would be a really nice system to be augmented by a pellet stove.

I'd advise you to take a look at the hybrid gas water heaters. We installed one about 4 years ago and have never been happier. They can use propane or NG. You can even run radiate floor systems from the same unit. Mine is an Eternal but there are other makes out there. They are not totally tankless but only have a two gallon tank. Everything stainless steel and covered for 30 years. Two baths, clothes washer, dish washer and three teenagers and never out of hot water.

I'd have to get a propane tank installed; no NG on my street. But that might not be so bad since I'd really like to have a gas range someday. I'll have to check that out either way. Thanks!
 
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I'd have to get a propane tank installed; no NG on my street. But that might not be so bad since I'd really like to have a gas range someday. I'll have to check that out either way. Thanks!

I forgot to add, the NG water heater was the only appliance using NG, nothing else. Once we got the hybrid water heater our NG bill went down 2/3 then in winter it was almost 1/5 of what it had been during the cold months. That big tank sitting down there, even though well insulated was still costing a lot to keep warm, and it was only 5 years old!
 
I suppose a mini-split system would work too especially if they have different size air handlers -
Minisplits don't have air handlers and dont use ductwork (which is a major source of air leakage in many systems). There are some "multihead units" that use one outdoor unit and two or three interior units that can be mounted in different spaces but there are some limitations with tubing.
 
I still use the electric heat to supplement the pellet stove. They're not cheap at roughly $50 each, but I have programmable thermostats in 4 rooms, and will install another one this weekend - we're using one more bedroom this year. I use the Honeywell TL8230A1003. They're in the rooms furthest from the stove.

They work great. Heat is on only when a room is occupied, and a little bit of smarts in the thermostat can be set to kick it on early enough so the room is up to temp at the specified time. They're also quiet. They're not just on or off, they vary the amount of juice going to the baseboard heater. After the initial warmup, they push just a trickle of electrons. I don't hear a lot of clicks from the thermostat, or expansion/contraction noise in the heaters.

And it is remarkably cheaper to warm up a room from 65 -66 to 70 for a few hours each day, than to keep it warm all day with nothing but electric heat. Once I installed these last year, my biggest bill was $230. After installing the stove, but before the thermostats, the bill was a little over$300.

So this combination of pellet and electric heat keeps our home very comfortable. Results may not be typical. Your experience may vary.
 
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