Old vs New PE Super

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Robz

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Dec 14, 2015
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Ottawa ontario
I was looking to buy a pacific energy super 27 brand new when my neighbor told me he has one in great shape from he early 90's he is selling. A brochure states it is epa rated and 80.6 efficiency. Does anyone know if there is much difference in models over the past 20 years.
Any advice is helpful
 
Robz,
I believe the EBT system will be a first gen on that stove instead of the current EBT2 system and the baffle system though similar in look will be slightly different as well. Hope fully someone with more experience with the 27 will chime in soon.

huauqui
 
I think somewhere around that time they switched to a stainless steel baffle, which is definitely more durable. Mine was built in '95, and is stainless. It has the air control lever in a different place, but otherwise functions the same as the current models.

The 27 doesn't have EBT. It has linked primary and secondary air controls that make it quite controllable and capable of some long burns for its size.

I'm not sure when these changes took place, but if you can get some pictures that would help. If you can get the model and serial numbers, contact Tom Oyen at www.chimneysweeponline.com. He is a member here and very helpful, though maybe a bit busy this time of year. He is PE's only online retailer.

And welcome.
 
The new ones are rated at 82.6% efficiency. It would be impossible to tell the difference except in a lab. Other than that, I'll let owners answer.
 
Thanks for the reply's. the stove is in a cabin a good drive away from me so only have a camp picture to go off of so no cereal number and cant see the air controls so cant provide more info which would solve a lot of questions. If i take a trip to.see it i will post more info on it. Anyone know anything about insurance and installing used stoves?
 
Jeff_t has it right. he Super series doesn't use the EBT. The main difference could be the baffle and side rail material. PE switched from steel to stainless around the mid-90s IIRC, though not sure exactly when. @thechimneysweep would know.

Insurance requirements vary from company to company. They run the gamut from just an ok, to wanting an inspection, to only accepting an installation by a certified installer + inspection + your first born child.
 
Thanks Jeff_t and begreen for the correction. What a great knowledge base here on the forum.
 
Some questions I'd ask myself:
1. How much do you trust him when it comes to how the stove was operated/maintained?
2. How much savings is the used one over the new one?
3. How much time will it take to get the old one?
4. Is the savings plus the time worth 25 years of unknown wear and tear?

If it was me, I would buy a new one.
 
One other question - why are they selling it?
 
Good points. Cost is the biggest thing he is asking 600 i think new i priced it at 3k has all the gold and enamel you can add. But its still a 20 year old stove. Local dealer has the 27 plain Jane listed for 1900. might just bite the bullet and get a new one. no insurance issues anyway.
 
Peace of mind, warranty and modern efficiency. I would pick a new unit vs a questionable 20+ yr old appliance. Also consider the costs of replacing the firebrick, gaskets etc it is in my mind a no brainer.

It all depends. I bought mine out of a basement in Ann Arbor. There was no way it did anything in that place but occasionally take the chill out of someone's basement art studio. It surely wasn't contributing to saving on the heat bill. Straight baffle and no broken bricks, there ain't much else to go wrong.

The new owner's insurance company made them get rid of it, and I almost felt bad paying what I paid for it. Almost.
 
If the older PE has a steel baffle and rails, plus some cracked bricks get a quote for replacement parts. Somewhere's deep in the bowels of old posts here Tom once commented on the cost to bring an old unit up to modern standards. I seem to recall it being under $600, but it would be good to ask for current pricing to verify.

Ask then to send you some pictures of the stove interior, exterior and the UL plate on the rear of the stove.

Here's a couple old threads on the very old Super 43 and the newer style baffle info:
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/question-to-the-old-timers-pe-super-43.22623/
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/1992-pe-super-27-baffle.26683
 
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Consider to that for most people, I believe, a stove is a long term investment so for you is there value in having a new unit? I have burned all my life and got my first brand new stove this fall and I am very much enjoying the luxury of having it from new. The old stove may be perfectly fine and the handful of used stoves I've had over my lifetime all have been but for some people, like myself, there's some personal enjoyment value of the brand new factor.
 
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I suppose I will differ, if its a good unit in good shape I'd do it. Since it's your neighbor and the stove is in a cabin I would bet that even though it's a 25 YO stove its burn time is very little, especially if it just a vacation cabin. Most folks vacation from shoulder to shoulder so chances are good that it hasn't been ran much. Take the drive, camp out with the neighbor for a weekend, take some good wood and run it. Make your decision on Sunday before you leave. A stove is a long term investment but to me so is a car. No need to soak the price of new if a adequate used is available. Just look at the non-EPA forum to get an idea, there are folks buying 45-50 YO stoves that while they may not be as efficient are still in perfectly good order.
 
I'd mainly look for excessive rust and signs of overfiring, but also examine for cracks and signs of abuse. Take pictures and get as much detailed info as possible from the rear UL label including build date.

Did they say why they are selling it?
 
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