No burn time with my Quadra Fire 5700

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How are these Stove companies getting away with misleading the customers and still in business.
You wanna see blatant misrepresentation? Do the math on a 30 Ton log splitter of your choice. 30 tons...riiiight.
 
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Hey Don, reading your posts and coming to the same conclusion others have, I would think its wet wood. Quad 5700s are normally a heat hammer. If you are fully loading that stove with seasoned well wood (45-50 lbs), that would be around 320-350K btus, times about 70 percent heating efficiency which would be around 250k btus. Over an 8 hour period, that is over 30K btus per hour, a pretty good heat output. 1700 sqft- does this include the basement? If not, is it a finished/cement basement? What size basement? Unfinished basements are always difficult. What size chimney are you using, ideally a 6 inch flue will bring the best performance. If you are keeping the ACC air open and have the primary air control open like I think you are saying you do, with dry wood, stovetop temps should easily exceed the ideal stove top temps (for that stove 350-750 degrees). Heavy coals with little secondary off-gassing and burning are also indicative of wet wood. Normal cruising settings should be around 1/4 to 1/3 primary air open, ACC closed, stove top temps 500 degrees or so. If that's not being achieved, wet wood or inadequate draft would be the suspects. Stay with it, you have a superior heater. BTW, here in the real world, burntimes should be around 8-9 hours normal heat output, around 6-7 heavy heat output, again controlled by the primary air setting, assuming good wood and a well drafting chimney. Good luck.


Yes this includes a basement, its in a basement un finished. 24x60 basement.
I had a chimney match my stove, 6' stainless flex in a terracotta 8x12 with insulation lined chimney, We used the existing chimney.
16' away from peek and 2' above. Draft was a early problem had too much 10'w/c. added a damper and now its is 5" w/c
Last year I burnt over 6 cords that was a record in 27 years of burning wood, with no heat out put until I realized my heat when up the chimney. First year with this stove.
I can get stove to get 500+ but the coals that are left over is the problem. I am going to try a suggestion made earlier about smaller wood on coal to help burn the coals off. I keep you informed
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I can get stove to get 500+ but the coals that are left over is the problem.
Don't be afraid to jack that stove top temp up to the 650F range. It will turn it into a whole 'nuther kind of heating beast and may help with your excessive coaling.
 
Just going to point something out...FWIW

Looks like in the brochure dated 11/14 they stated 15-21 burn times max, which has been the basis of argument here. Currently on QF's website and more recent brochure (dated 9/15), they've revised that down to up to 15 hours.
 
enjoying the thread ....just got a Quad 5700 and have some questions if ya'll ( yinz in Pittsburghese ). House is appx 1800ft on a slab. open balcony to upstairs ( cathedral ceilings ) . appx 9 ft of stove pipe into appx 20 ft of double wall chimney. bought stove on recommendation of a friend - he has two 4300's . Says he can put on low , stack em full and they burn all night .My issue , i stack 3 or 4 good size splits , they catch fire , burn like hell - and i end up with 1st step temps around 600 , flue temps at 450 , and 690 - 700 off the glass ( using a IR temp gauge ) . This is on low . ACC / Rear air shut down . once it starts rolling , there is no stopping it . Is there a trick to loading wood to getting an all night burn ? i never bought into the 15 - 21 hour burn time ( i am in sales - looks great on paper !) so i figured it to be half , which was fine . just can t figure out why it will just start to roll until it is full bore primary and secondary combusting ? The thread seems to put emphasis on drier wood , which i believe would make it even worse . Worried to stack the box full , in that if it started to roll , i couldnt stop it .Any help is appreciated , as i sit here waiting for things to calm down so i can go to bed . When my wife finds the bourbon is out - guess i will have to tell her i had to stay up to watch the fire .
 
29 ft of total pipe length is getting on the tall side. I can imagine you have quite a strong draft. If the primary air control does NOT have enough control of the burn, you may be a candidate for a flue damper. There is no reason that a properly controlled stove can't be loaded up... and 3 or 4 good sized splits ain't "loading it up".
 
Just going to point something out...FWIW

Looks like in the brochure dated 11/14 they stated 15-21 burn times max, which has been the basis of argument here. Currently on QF's website and more recent brochure (dated 9/15), they've revised that down to up to 15 hours.

Thanks for checking on that but even as you know it is exaggerated too.
 
This Post goes to JAGS,
Out of all the so called Specialists, I have come in contact with, Jags had the best information to help me with this 5700 Quadrafire.
One of the problems with an over amount of coals left, after the log was burnt, with very little heat produced. With the advice from Jags I feed the stove with two small logs (3 inches x 20) on to the coals and set primary draft to 1/4 to 1/2 open and rear lower open a 1/4. Temp raised to 350' to 400' and the bed of coals started to disappear. With this process I am using less wood and getting better or higher temps. Now, I do have to baby sit the stove more but now the house is warming up.
As far as duration, I still only get 6 to 7 hours of usable heat (200') Than after 8 hours, after a day of work I usually have to restart or shake up the coal to throw another small piece of wood on to get back up and running. Before bed I pack the stove full for the night. On most nights I wake up about 3:00Am to reload.
Thanks again Jags for the tip. I hope these threads are helping other, since getting information out of Quadra-Fire is nearly impossible.
 
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Hey Don, I have a quad 5100 that is new this burning season. I have found that I can burn through a load of wood very quickly if I don't follow the proper routine. For me, it is a must to run wide open for approximately the first 30 minutes. That means the ACC controls pushed in and the pulled out to engage the timer, and the top right air control all the way open. After 30 minutes, if I've used enough kindling (when starting a cold stove) I can start to slowly close down the air on the top right. Meaning maybe a 1/5 of the way about every 5-10 minutes. If the wood is good and dry, I can get my top right control closed all the way and still have good secondary action and maintain approx 400- 450 on the front of the stove. Closing all of the way like this will leave some black coals, in particular if I have used large splits (bigger than 3-4"). I have to run somewhere around 1/4 to 1/3 open on the top right to keep my coal bed from building up too much. FWIW I am heating a 2100 sq ft ranch and can do so easily as long as I load approx every 6-8 hrs. I was disappointed with my burn times initially as I wasn't getting very far past 3 hrs on burn time. There is a learning curve so don't give up yet. If you aren't getting a good secondary burn from your tubes you will never get longer burn times that produce heat. Those tubes should be getting red hot when you are burning efficiently. If you aren't experiencing this, you're not there yet.


Thanks for the reply, I m using the same start up but with no kindling, I make up my own candle wax and saw dust starters, no more kindling boxes or mess. with one egg carton cup I can start 6 inch logs in no time.
I never thought that buying an EPA stove would be such a pain ........
Now to find out how to get burn time up to TEN hours, may be asking too much.
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I love my 4300 Quad when I want a lot of heat. That 4 point burn really gets intense. It always runs up close to overfire.

My Ideal Steel is a totally different animal. I can bring that stove down to an idle
 
Not true at all there are lots of cat stoves that easily burn that long and no new stoves do not have relatively short burn times when compared to a comparable sized old stove. Do a little research before you start making statements like that. Now not cat stoves i agree that i doubt you will get that long of a burn time but it is totally possible with a cat.

I would love to hear from some of the guys who have these stoves that burn for 21 hours. Possible, yes, but can you please refer us to the "lot of cat stoves that EASILY burn that long", i'm in the market for one for our house and want to find one that easily burns 21 hours.
 
i'm in the market for one for our house and want to find one that easily burns 21 hours.
Blaze King, King. It ain't called the "King" for no reason.
 
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