Soapstone or cast iron??

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scotsman

Feeling the Heat
Aug 6, 2008
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West Texas
Thanks to all who responded to “In the Nick of Time”. As a result of all that great input, I’m still trying to figure out what kind and size stove to buy. I think I’m more on the beam than when this all started and I appreciate y’all for steering me away from some and toward being more open to all.

We are not in the coldest part of the country, but sometimes you’d swear that the only thing ‘tween you and the North Pole is one strand of “bob wahr” an’ it’s down! So, it can get cold here AND I want to eliminate as much of my dependence on propane as possible. SO, that said, I THINK I’ve narrowed down my playing field to soapstone or cast iron and about a 3.0 cu. ft. firebox. I also think I’ve learned to expect about 50% of the stated “max” BTU output as the norm and use the stated output only for comparison, and not even sure that’s reliable!

So, all you gurus, since y’all have been there and done that, what are my considerations? SS seems to be a gentler heat and long lasting after the flame dies away, but slow to come up to temp. Then there's cast iron that heats up faster, but dies away more quickly, but it has its champions, too. I don’t want catalytic--seems to be more trouble than it’s worth and counter-productive in some ways. (thank you FW?)

Hearthstone looks good, but the size I think I need/want (the Mansfield) is only a top vent and I have a max flue height of 30.25”. Didn’t see any “short leg” sets for the Mansfield that would allow it to come in at or under the limit, unless I missed something somewhere. I see all sorts of stoves mentioned, but mainly HS, Englander and one or two others consistently. Why do I not see as many Jotuls? Is there something wrong with ‘em? Seems everyone aspires to the Hearthstone, but they seem pricey. I’d like one, too, ‘cept for the price, BUT I’m willing to pay for it if it’s that good and has a reasonable ROI.
What stove(s) have the capacity to fend off single digit nights and stretches of no days reaching 32 for a week at a time or longer AND handle the not-so-cold days of 30s to 40s needing a small but consistent burn, with the same precision? My dealer is pushing a unit that most of y’all don’t think I should get, so please give me some educated input from what you’ve found in your efforts to reach wood-burning nirvana!

I won’t live long enough to make "all the wrong mistakes" and I sure don’t have enough money to walk that path. Thanks for all your advice. I’ve learned way more this week about using wood for heat than I thought possible. Standing by . . .
 
The big Jotul - the F600 "Firelight" is a great stove and there are several folks here that own them. It can be configured rear-exit. The other stove, the Hearthstone Equinox which is available rear exit configuration. It's a new stove and big, but given your size home, location and open floorplan it could also work. Both are top quality stoves and from well known, long term manufacturers. Justins in Hereford should carry Jotul as well as Decorator's Center in Big Spring according to Jotul's website. Hearthstone dealers are farther away in Odessa, Amarillo or Fritch. But 100 miles is like next door in Texas, right?

http://www.jotul.com/en-us/wwwjotulus/Main-menu/Products/Wood/Wood-stoves/Jotul-F-600-Firelight-CB/
http://www.hearthstonestoves.com/wood-stoves/stove-details?product_id=1
 
I just had my Hearthstone Equinox Installed last month it is an awsome looking monolith I have not fired it up yet 'cant wait'. the height to the top of the flue out the back is 26.5" off the floor. good luck.
 
The Equinox would be way too big for 2400 sq ft in Texas IMHO. And I 'd hate to see you spend $4000 for a stove you really don't need. I think you would be better off with cast down there, you probably won't be burning 24/7 all winter long and it would be better for those take the chill off days. Jutol makes a very good product.
 
Texas boy said:
I’ve narrowed down my playing field to soapstone or cast iron and about a 3.0 cu. ft. firebox. I also think I’ve learned to expect about 50% of the stated “max” BTU output as the norm and use the stated output only for comparison, and not even sure that’s reliable!

So, all you gurus, since y’all have been there and done that, what are my considerations? SS seems to be a gentler heat and long lasting after the flame dies away, but slow to come up to temp. Then there's cast iron that heats up faster, but dies away more quickly, but it has its champions, too. I don’t want catalytic--seems to be more trouble than it’s worth and counter-productive in some ways. (thank you FW?)


What stove(s) have the capacity to fend off single digit nights and stretches of no days reaching 32 for a week at a time or longer AND handle the not-so-cold days of 30s to 40s needing a small but consistent burn, with the same precision?

Texas boy, you are asking some good questions before putting down your dollars. You are to be commended for this and hopefully you will get the right stove for your needs.

I do question a couple of your statements though. First is that statement that always comes up about soapstone taking longer to come up to heat. When most folks hear this it brings on the picture of waiting for hours to get some heat out of that thing. This just is not so!

What if the statement was made that it takes twice as long for a soapstone to throw heat as it does a cast stove? That could make one picture standing there for a long time waiting for heat. When in truth, if it takes 15 minutes for a cast and 30 minutes for a soapstone, is that a really long time? You'd hardly notice.

Let me just add what we experienced with our soapstone. First, yes, it does take a little longer, but very little. Part of that stove is cast plus you have the window in front. Therefore, those parts will give off heat as soon as another stove! While the soapstone takes a little longer, as stated, it is very little. So please don't put too much weight on the factor of waiting for heat from a soapstone.



On the catalytic stoves. Like you, we also decided to stay away from those awful stoves that used cats. Why should one want one of those things anyway?

Well, in the end, we bought one of those stoves with a cat.! Now we ask, why would anyone want to stay away from them? What makes me say that? Well, first and foremost is the clean burn we get from this stove. For example, we heat our home 100% with our cat. stove. We have yet to clean our chimney! We haven't even cleaned the chimney cap! That is usually the first place that needs cleaning. What I am saying is with the cat., the wood burns so clean that you have much less worries about pollution and about your chimney clogging. (Naturally a lot of this depends upon the wood you are burning too.)

Another great thing with this cat. stove is that it has decreased the amount of wood we burn. We used to burn 5-6 cords per winter. Last winter (a cold and windy one) we burned just under 3 cords and stayed much, much warmer. In fact, many times we were too warm (nice!). But we learned over time how best to use the stove and we love this thing.

Does it cost a lot to maintain a cat.? Well, they do have to be replaced about every 7 years. At $100 replacement (you can do it yourself too), that is not much of a cost factor.

How about all the time and trouble to clean that cat.? I usually do it, but the wife can also do it alone. It takes a long time too doesn't it? No! Unless you count 5 minutes or less a long time. Actually, the last time we cleaned the cat it took me less than 2 minutes! It is very simple to do. Raise the lid, lift the cat out (it isn't heavy), brush with old paint brush. Sweep any loose ash out or vacuum it out. Sit the cat. down in it's place and close the lid. Done. Less time than it takes to clear the table after a meal.


So I am just saying perhaps you should still keep your mind very open and do not rule out cat. stoves nor soapstone stoves. These things (along with other stoves) are so efficient it is amazing. They are truly beautiful to behold, they keep you warm, will last a lifetime and they use much less fuel than most. What more could one ask?

Good luck in your quest and we truly hope you are happy when you make your decision.
 
Texas boy. One thing I forgot to add. With this cat. stove of ours, I am continually amazed with the stove and it's heat. One good way is to tell you about getting up in the middle of the night. Picture the home all dark (I don't turn lights on when I get up at night and we do not have street lights either.) Picture the outdoor temperature of zero degrees. The house is toasty warm, but as long as I'm up, naturally I just go out and check the stove.

Enter the room with the stove. What?!!! I can't see anything burning! Is the stove out? Getting closer to the stove, I can't even see any red coals. However, I can see some light from something. Bending down and looking up the front of the glass, I can see this pretty red glow. That, sir, is the catalyst doing it's thing. It appears the wood is not burning but, in fact, this stove is keeping us very, very warm, thanks to the cat. We also know we aren't losing heat up the chimney nor are we polluting the air a bunch.

All in all, though we were against cat. stoves, we are now sold on them....or at least with the Woodstock stoves.
 
Texas boy said:
...with the same precision...

Not sure what your expectations are, but I can tell you this...there isn't anything real "precise" about woodburning. At least, not about my woodburning. %-P Rick
 
Texas, how strong are the winds where you live and how often do they blow? How tall are the ceilings on the first floor, particularly in the room with the stove? Although this is 2400 sq ft in Texas, my memory of that area says when it's cold there, the winds come straight from Canada.

"We live in an area where it can be near zero (F), but usually is between +5 (nights) and upper teens for highs, at the worst. Keeping the house at 65 in winter will eat us alive in propane, so we are shopping for a free-standing stove to connect to the (sort of) existing “fireplace” we have, that will see us through cold weather and possible power failures and that we could cook on if necessary."

OP:
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/21063/
 
The average wind speed out there is 12 to 14 miles an hour year round. I always said that the guy that named Chicago the windy city never lived in Lubbock, Texas.
 
I spent some time in the oil patch around Graham Tx. I swear it was colder there than it is here in Co. I second what Backwoods said, we run a Hearthstone homestead and love it but I would really like to have the Woodstock fire view, it just wouldn't work with the clearances we have.
 
rdrcr56 said:
I spent some time in the oil patch around Graham Tx. I swear it was colder there than it is here in Co. I second what Backwoods said, we run a Hearthstone homestead and love it but I would really like to have the Woodstock fire view, it just wouldn't work with the clearances we have.

Sorry to hear that. Even with the rear heat shield?
 
We went through the same process you are going through. Cast or soapstone? I decided on the soapstone due to the appearance, and longevity of heat it also fit our decor, and the direction we wanted to go with the house. Our house is on the smaller side, and the Tribute fits our needs better then I thought it would. The heat up factor is a none issue in my mind, and our stove, and home, stay nice and toasty. Ultimately get the one you want, cat, non cat, stone, or cast. All the major manufacturers make great stoves. We couldn't be happier. :)
 
Gotta chime in also. This will be our 2nd year with the SS and I'm know it will be even better than last year. I'm already setting aside some softer wood for the shoulder months. The Hearthstone Homestead did all it was asked to do last year. I was also against a cat - but I like everything I hear about the Fireview. I still like the idea of having a Jotul, or a Pacific Energy, or a...
So make your best decision and enjoy.
 
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