No Shortage this year....

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MainePellethead

MainePellethead

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Dec 9, 2007
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Southern Maine
This past weekend I had breakfast with the owner of Corinth Pellet Co. as we were visiting my father in law. My father in law knows him well. Actually offered my wife an office manager job in the office. lol. But we arent moving way up Maine even though both of us was raised up there. lol. They are balls to the walls(so to speak) at the mill. He sees absolutely no shortage with pellets this year at all. He has installed thousands of dollars in equipment to begin using whole logs. They use alot of chips there now with sawdust. They have started and looking to increase a third shift there. He was telling me he burns 30 tons a day just for operations in making the pellets...the drying. We was going to tour the mill but didnt have time.
 
Thanks for the info.
I talked to them last week and they felt comfortable with the supply in the future.
We just had our stove installed last week and now are waiting for pellets.
We ordered through a Corith dealer. (5 tons)
If pellet supply/price are a non-issue, then my decision to get a pellet stove will be an excellent one.


Hey, put in a good word for me!!!

Thanks
:)
 
Good news, I have 3 tons of Corinth on order for delivery at end of month (i hope).
 
might not be a shortage but in the auburn, lewiston area people are getting ***** by the dealers.

i paid 235/ton for greenteam in june, now i see athens pellets for 295.99/ton. i wonder if there is a way to investigate like gas price gouging....
 
j00fek said:
might not be a shortage but in the auburn, lewiston area people are getting ***** by the dealers.

i paid 235/ton for greenteam in june, now i see athens pellets for 295.99/ton. i wonder if there is a way to investigate like gas price gouging....
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ROTFLMAO!!!! And how did those gas price gouging investigations work for you? :)


BTW, did anyone catch the news that Exxon Mobil paid more taxes last year than the bottom 50% of all Americans?
 
DiggerJim said:
j00fek said:
might not be a shortage but in the auburn, lewiston area people are getting ***** by the dealers.

i paid 235/ton for greenteam in june, now i see athens pellets for 295.99/ton. i wonder if there is a way to investigate like gas price gouging....
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ROTFLMAO!!!! And how did those gas price gouging investigations work for you? :)


BTW, did anyone catch the news that Exxon Mobil paid more taxes last year than the bottom 50% of all Americans?
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Careful, all the libs here think any business which marks up there product by 8%(Profit on each gallon the oil companies make) is making a windfall and should be taxed to death since the owners and stockholders are not entittled to a profit that large LOL Better the goverment gets more money to waste, of course the extra "windfall" tax will be priced into the product so the consumer can pay for it;)

Per the pellet gouging maybe the cost went up for transportation, hence the increase in price.
 
people dont understand that my uncle just picked up 22 tons at athens for 180/ton, used the ip truck and their gas. what a deal

so why the $100 markup? id like to know
 
j00fek said:
might not be a shortage but in the auburn, lewiston area people are getting ***** by the dealers.

i paid 235/ton for greenteam in june, now i see athens pellets for 295.99/ton. i wonder if there is a way to investigate like gas price gouging....
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I agree. Even the big box is doing things different right now. I really feel they are waiting to see where oil prices go before you see any relatively good deals.
 
????????

What part of "a seller of goods can put ANY markup on them they want" don't you folks understand???

Customers don't set the "fair" markup or price - they just decide whether to buy at the stated price. One dealer may have a business model to sell fewer pellets at a high price and another might sell a lot of pellets at a low price. Neither one is "better", just different.

Look at fuel oil prices and you will see a difference as large as 50 cents or more per gallon. That does not mean one dealer is gouging.....lots of factors involved.
 
Thanks for the info dude that's awesome.
 
Webmaster said:
????????

What part of "a seller of goods can put ANY markup on them they want" don't you folks understand???

Customers don't set the "fair" markup or price - they just decide whether to buy at the stated price. One dealer may have a business model to sell fewer pellets at a high price and another might sell a lot of pellets at a low price. Neither one is "better", just different.

Look at fuel oil prices and you will see a difference as large as 50 cents or more per gallon. That does not mean one dealer is gouging.....lots of factors involved.
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Holy Cow Craig.....I friggin found it! Something I agree with you on! lol :)
 
j00fek said:
people dont understand that my uncle just picked up 22 tons at athens for 180/ton, used the ip truck and their gas. what a deal

so why the $100 markup? id like to know
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There's a big difference in buying 22 tons in one transaction than in 7 with the resulting interim storage, potential for damaged goods allowance, paperwork, labor, etc. etc. etc.

Why does it cost me $1.79 for 18 oz of Coke & a cup of ice at Burger King but I can buy a 2 liter bottle on sale for 99 cents at the supermarket? Why does a Starbucks coffee cost me $4 but Dunkin Donuts only $2.50 and neither costs them more than a nickel?

It's because someone will pay those rates. If you don't like the markup a seller adds to a product, don't buy it. If enough people agree, the price drops or the seller goes out of business.

Read, Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations". (Is that not required reading in school anymore? <sigh>)
 
DiggerJim said:
j00fek said:
people dont understand that my uncle just picked up 22 tons at athens for 180/ton, used the ip truck and their gas. what a deal

so why the $100 markup? id like to know
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There's a big difference in buying 22 tons in one transaction than in 7 with the resulting interim storage, potential for damaged goods allowance, paperwork, labor, etc. etc. etc.

Why does it cost me $1.79 for 18 oz of Coke & a cup of ice at Burger King but I can buy a 2 liter bottle on sale for 99 cents at the supermarket? Why does a Starbucks coffee cost me $4 but Dunkin Donuts only $2.50 and neither costs them more than a nickel?

It's because someone will pay those rates. If you don't like the markup a seller adds to a product, don't buy it. If enough people agree, the price drops or the seller goes out of business.

Read, Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations". (Is that not required reading in school anymore? <sigh>)
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If an order for 22 tons is placed through Home Depot or a similar retailer they direct deliver from their supplier or main warehouse which saves on extra handling,trucking and warehousings costs which in turn is passed onto the consumer .Essentialy bulk sales gets you a huge discount.

We offer bulk cordwood, green, straight off the processor delivered to the customer in 5 cord increments at a 30% discount compared to smaller loads of seasoned wood that gets handled 3 times before delivery and sits in a pile not making us any money for 1-2 years.

It's called wholesale vs. retail pricing.
 
Lowes in Brewer has Penningtons for $5.99 a bag and no takers, must be no shortage or the bad press.
 
j00fek said:
people dont understand that my uncle just picked up 22 tons at athens for 180/ton, used the ip truck and their gas. what a deal

so why the $100 markup? id like to know
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Most retailers mark every thing up 100%. if they pay 100 you are paying 200. Then they put 20% sale for 160. something like that.

Anyhow I paid 270 a ton in June plus another 10/ton for delivery. Bought 5 tons form Compressed Wood Supplier, Ohara Ice in Biddeford and they are the Athens Maine Wood Pellet pellets.

Now if I could only see my stove some day :)
 
slls said:
Lowes in Brewer has Penningtons for $5.99 a bag and no takers, must be no shortage or the bad press.
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The home depot here is sold out after 2 weeks. Just 1 out 6 HD within 20 miles of me was selling pellets. The walmarts said they should get some in september.
 
DiggerJim said:
It's because someone will pay those rates. If you don't like the markup a seller adds to a product, don't buy it. If enough people agree, the price drops or the seller goes out of business.

Read, Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations". (Is that not required reading in school anymore? <sigh>)
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:bug: Holy cow I found something I can agree with DiggerJim on (jk)

I have said the above over and over................ WE are the ones that drove up the price the most. Sure transportation costs went up, but not to the degree pellets have. There are dealers around me that WERE charging $250 per ton with $1.25/mile one way. Now they are $275 per ton and $1.50/mile one way. Though still a reasonable price to some, it did not cost the dealer any more ~ they just found that people were willing to pay it.

Collectively if we ALL said we will not buy pellets unless they were $225 per ton and stuck to that, eventually they would be $225 per ton. However, if they started at $275, sure as heck someone would panic and buy at $250 ruining it for everyone else (that was just a extremely brief example)

(Unfortunately DiggerJim it is not required reading for the majority of high schools, but can be found on a lot of college economic syllabuses )

We (Mainers) will also see an increase in supply and a decrease in price (as long as we don't buy at the inflated prices) of out of state pellets due to having to only pay the shipping cost one way. Until the 'taters are harvested we or the sellers (then us) have and will be paying for the trucks return trip. When the 'taters get harvested the trucks will have something to go back with.
 
sinnian said:
DiggerJim said:
We (Mainers) will also see an increase in supply and a decrease in price (as long as we don't buy at the inflated prices) of out of state pellets due to having to only pay the shipping cost one way. Until the 'taters are harvested we or the sellers (then us) have and will be paying for the trucks return trip. When the 'taters get harvested the trucks will have something to go back with.
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Thats right....things are being done differently this year. You go to the box stores and last year they had pellets all over the aisles at this time....NOW they tell you they will be in in a couple weeks or the ones that have some are keeping them out back and some wont let you buy bags, they want you to buy by the ton....they wont break any up. Seems like they are hoarding to see exactly where oil sets at. If oil goes cheap enough they are going to have to go cheap or sit on a warehouse of pellets through the winter.

And thats exactly what Ken(owner of corinth pellets) said this past weekend when I was in Corinth......about the tater harvesting and the trucks etc....
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globewyre said:
slls said:
Lowes in Brewer has Penningtons for $5.99 a bag and no takers, must be no shortage or the bad press.
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The home depot here is sold out after 2 weeks. Just 1 out 6 HD within 20 miles of me was selling pellets. The walmarts said they should get some in september.
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The HD near me had 40 tons in stock a week ago (@$279), and when I went by last night, it looked to be still at least 30-35 tons still there....guess the "panic" buying is starting to slow down.
 
good call, i forgot about the panic buyers (4-7 tons at once), im sure thats what it is... hope next year we will have plenty of stock, more people will be switching still but not as many as this year.
 
I was at Lowes in Biddeford Maine yesterday....they are taking orders for hard wood pellets for 5.99 a bag but only sold by the pallet. ....they said they should be in in a couple weeks. They had softwood pellets for 5.49 a bag and they would sell by the bag or pallet. I bought a ton of them to try.
HD didnt have any and said they was hoping to get some in a couple weeks.
 
MainePellethead said:
I was at Lowes in Biddeford Maine yesterday....they are taking orders for hard wood pellets for 5.99 a bag but only sold by the pallet. ....they said they should be in in a couple weeks. They had softwood pellets for 5.49 a bag and they would sell by the bag or pallet. I bought a ton of them to try.
HD didnt have any and said they was hoping to get some in a couple weeks.
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Not sure what Lowes is doing this year. Both stores is my area (St Clairsville & Wheeling WV) are not offering a ton price. When I called a few weeks ago, they both said bag price ($5.99 per) only and the Wheeling store said they were limiting purchases. I'll have to check back with them but it kind of ticked me off. I bought my stove at a Lowes 3 years ago and have bought almost all my pellets from them since. It may have something to do with the fact that Pellet stoves haven't really taken off here as far as I know. Got 3 tons for $239.50 each at Tractor Supply. Want one more to be sure.
 
I called around today, lowes & home depot (40 minutes away) and they have non in stock and not sure when they will. My tractor supply store said they are backed ordered 200 tons !!! from their presale in august. I finally found and bought 5 tons (empires) making 6 tons that I will have on hand (which I am still probably 2 tons short). went through 1 ton a month last year...
 
MainePellethead said:
sinnian said:
DiggerJim said:
We (Mainers) will also see an increase in supply and a decrease in price (as long as we don't buy at the inflated prices) of out of state pellets due to having to only pay the shipping cost one way. Until the 'taters are harvested we or the sellers (then us) have and will be paying for the trucks return trip. When the 'taters get harvested the trucks will have something to go back with.
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Thats right....things are being done differently this year. You go to the box stores and last year they had pellets all over the aisles at this time....NOW they tell you they will be in in a couple weeks or the ones that have some are keeping them out back and some wont let you buy bags, they want you to buy by the ton....they wont break any up. Seems like they are hoarding to see exactly where oil sets at. If oil goes cheap enough they are going to have to go cheap or sit on a warehouse of pellets through the winter.

And thats exactly what Ken(owner of corinth pellets) said this past weekend when I was in Corinth......about the tater harvesting and the trucks etc....
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Total B.S. on the tater harvesting !
You can't convince me that the only product being transported out of NE is taters.
ALL major trucking companies have Dispatchers and Transportation Logistics personell to coordinate loads to and from everywhere. No truck runs empty for to many miles before it picks up another load and if the driver has to wait a few hours before a load is lined up it's no big deal because the fuel savings more than makes up for the wait and birth time is mandatory anyway.

You guys just can't seem to swallow the fact that there is a shortage of raw material,production costs are out of sight, and the laws of supply and demand are working well.
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