I have a new englander pdv (mb 2000) The issue: It keeps building up pellets so that the burn pot is completely full right to the 10 holes that supply air. The flame is not lazy but it dies down and the 2 holes that supply air underneath the pile of pellets are the first to clog, then it it slowly fills and dosent burn quite right .It takes several hours but inevidably it always happens. I have changed the blower motor (convection) all the gaskets and cleaned the whole thing out. All the wires are correct, and the temp sensor is correctly attached to the burn pot. I have fresh air leading in and aprox six feet of pipe leading out using 2 elbows to make the turns out side. It just seems like other stoves push air around faster and get the pop corn affect. This ocassionally happens but very seldom. It also had a puttering sound that has gone away today. Sorry alot to read. Thank you all in advance.
HELP PLEASE My englander not buring correcly.
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I have a new englander pdv (mb 2000) The issue: It keeps building up pellets so that the burn pot is completely full right to the 10 holes that supply air. The flame is not lazy but it dies down and the 2 holes that supply air underneath the pile of pellets are the first to clog, then it it slowly fills and dosent burn quite right .It takes several hours but inevidably it always happens. I have changed the blower motor (convection) all the gaskets and cleaned the whole thing out. All the wires are correct, and the temp sensor is correctly attached to the burn pot. I have fresh air leading in and aprox six feet of pipe leading out using 2 elbows to make the turns out side. It just seems like other stoves push air around faster and get the pop corn affect. This ocassionally happens but very seldom. It also had a puttering sound that has gone away today. Sorry alot to read. Thank you all in advance. Ps I may have posted this in the wrong area. Does shortening the flue increase the air going in and out (less friction)
hearthtools
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You would get more response if your topic was not just HELP.
I moved your two post together and Put Englander in the subject line.
I moved your two post together and Put Englander in the subject line.
HD41
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It appears you have incomlete burning, too little air or too many pellets. There are adjustments that can be made. Six feet of inlet air tubing with two elbows certainly would cause more restriction than a one to two foot more or less straight inlet which is more typical. What size is the inlet tube? Perhaps something of the size or a dryer vent would be more suitable. Poor quality pellets are another possibility.
sydney1963
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Xena
Minister of Fire
Why waste time going back and forth on here?
Call tech support at England Stove Works.
They are there to help, and I believe they have
techs on saturdays up until 1 pm.
800 number should be included in your paperwork.
Call tech support at England Stove Works.
They are there to help, and I believe they have
techs on saturdays up until 1 pm.
800 number should be included in your paperwork.
Tech support had no clue what stove I had sent me the wrong parts, was on hold for an hour.....figure id try talking to people who really know these things!!
stoveguy2esw
Minister of Fire
flickerstick said:
what is "(mb2000) " is that the manufacture date? also what parts were sent which werent right? please also describe the setup of the pipe leading out, how much is horizontal?
sydney1963
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Are you sure you don't have to much pipe leading out. If you use the equation below it should work ok. Mine adds up to 17 and still works like a charm.
Pellet stoves have to push the exhaust air through the vent pipe with the stove's exhaust fan. With less restriction your pellet stove will breathe easier and burn more efficiently. First let's clarify the word restriction. Restrictions come from several different items.
45 degree elbows
90 degree elbows
Horizontal distance
Vertical distance
Elevation where you live.
A rule of thumb equation we are using has been adopted by most pellet manufactures. The equation is called the sum of Equivalent Vent Length (EVL). All of the above mentioned venting restrictions have been assigned EVL values as follows:
Each 45 degree elbow = 3 EVL
Each 90 degree elbow and Tees with cleanout = 5 EVL
Each foot of horizontal run = 1 EVL
Each foot of Vertical run = 0.5 EVL
Elevations above 3000 ft with an EVL of 7 must adapt to 4 inch vent pipe.
If your installation is below 3000ft, we would need to do some math. The rule of thumb equations is that if the sum of the EVL is 15 or greater, then the pellet vent pipe would be increased to 4 inch diameter pellet vent pipe.
Pellet stoves have to push the exhaust air through the vent pipe with the stove's exhaust fan. With less restriction your pellet stove will breathe easier and burn more efficiently. First let's clarify the word restriction. Restrictions come from several different items.
45 degree elbows
90 degree elbows
Horizontal distance
Vertical distance
Elevation where you live.
A rule of thumb equation we are using has been adopted by most pellet manufactures. The equation is called the sum of Equivalent Vent Length (EVL). All of the above mentioned venting restrictions have been assigned EVL values as follows:
Each 45 degree elbow = 3 EVL
Each 90 degree elbow and Tees with cleanout = 5 EVL
Each foot of horizontal run = 1 EVL
Each foot of Vertical run = 0.5 EVL
Elevations above 3000 ft with an EVL of 7 must adapt to 4 inch vent pipe.
If your installation is below 3000ft, we would need to do some math. The rule of thumb equations is that if the sum of the EVL is 15 or greater, then the pellet vent pipe would be increased to 4 inch diameter pellet vent pipe.
Ok now we are getting some where, MB =maybe sorry text talk. The stove was bought used so the "born on date was missing??" I have the triangular wear plate, and the lower auger is surrounded by an airbox, not like newer models that port directly under the auger.This auger passes thru the actual air intake. There are 4 main ports at 1, 5 7 and 11 oclock, holes on the wear plate and across the welded top seam there are 7 holes on the right and leftof the burn pot. According to the formula Im a 17 evl. 3 elbows and two 3 foot lengths. I come out the stove with an elbow rise 3 feet another elbow another 3 feet vertical and then an elbow pointing down...so 17evel. I described my stove in great detail and recieved the gasket for the new over under auger system, i actually sent you an email mholton, gues you didnt get it oh well.
I redid the math 19.5 3 elbows, 2 3 footers one goes vert one horizontal 15+3+1.5= anyone wanna by some 3" pipe and a thimble??
sydney1963
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I vent through a window, its in a mill building so the walls are three feet thick and per my condo assoc I am not allowed to drill, so i must rise three feet to be above the bottom of the window sill. I might build a platform for the stove to sit on that will give some height and cut down on the lenght leading out side that might keep me under 17 evl and save me a couple hondred on a new thimble , pipe and elbows. Do you think my isuue after changing everything might be simply resistance??
sydney1963
New Member
Look at this website and see if it helps.
http://www.nevelsstoves.com/articles/Venting-your-pellet-stove.htm
http://www.nevelsstoves.com/articles/Venting-your-pellet-stove.htm
Im gonna have to either shift to 4' or try to shorten my pipe (nevermind) some how. If im at 19.5 then its resistance!! Looks like another project!! Thank you very much. I wish I knew that formula before I bought a new blower and gaskets etc!! My own fault I didnt do enough research. Thank you again Fire honor society!! Graigslist.com ...6 feet of 3 inch pellet pipe for sale 2 elbows and an end cap hahahahah
sydney1963
New Member
Be careful shortening your pipe. LOL I just want to say I'm no expert on this but it sounds like you have too much pipe. Keep in mind if you lift your stove up higher you still have to fill the hopper with pellets. Good luck!
So glad you got the joke!! Im tall and still a decent age hahah. Well im pretty mechanical and if you think of it as a car , if you bring air in, its gotta get out!! Well again thats the best advice ive gotten and if you remove all the variables (exhaust blower, gaskets and obstruction) all thats left is resistance. They (all companies) should include that chart. Might save alot of time and effort for the customer and the company. Have a warm day! Tom K
hearthtools
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Wow look at the response after I changed the subject line
LOL
Photos would help.
If you have a cell phone with a camera You could use your cell phone and text it to your email and then post them here if you dont have a digital camera.
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Photos would help.
If you have a cell phone with a camera You could use your cell phone and text it to your email and then post them here if you dont have a digital camera.
The thing of it Im not even sure i have a problem at this point , but i have nothing to comapare it too?? Would like to see a video of a new englander running. Ive seen other stoves but they arnt the same kind of feed system, the ones i have come in contact with are drop feed...
woodsman23
Minister of Fire
Take the stove outside and fire it up without a exhaust and see if it still happens.Then you will know fore sure. If it does not act the same add some pipe and see if you can make it happen again. good luck
i thought of that but thought that might be a lil insane hahah Thank you, looks like i have another project.
woodsman23
Minister of Fire
flickerstick said:
When folks buy a new some season them outside with a fire before placing them in their house, just a thought.
Gonna give it a shot. Seems reasonable I think im at the point of dumping this one in the river and buying new. We ll see after tommrw , thank you again. I know somethings wrong running it and cant get 13300 sq feet above 62 and i just put in bag #2 and im on 6 heat range.
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