How easy to replace damper tabs on VC Defient

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Jimxj2000

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Aug 14, 2008
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SE NH
Hi. We have been working around having one damper tab broken for a while now -some times the damper door would close all the way or would be hard to open.

Well today it seems the second tab is not working right. This makes it impossible to close the damper door. Not fun when you need to close the door and engage the cat.

Is it possible to replace the damper tabs by removing the flue collar?

Is this a repair that a shop would handle? Do they make house calls? Anyone know a good shop in SE NH?

Stove is a catalytic VC Defiant Encore 2140.
 
Hi Jim,
I see nobody has been able to help you out so far but hopefully I can. Those tabs are notorious for failure and you are certainly not able to burn at full efficiency without the damper locked in tight. I replaced a damper tab this summer, same type of problem. To answer your question about access-No, you will need to take off the heat shield, flue collar, and back panel of the stove to do this repair. Note: I have a model 0028 from 1986, but it should be very similar. Also, I recently posted about some issues I've had since the repair. It turns out it is likely the secondary air probe is failing so you may want to consider that while you are accessing the back of the stove. I also recommend cleaning and/or replacing the cat element as well as replacing any gaskets you open up because it's inexpensive and easier while you are working on the tab project. Note the dates of your maintenance.

To to this project you will need the following:
Parts- 3 damper tabs, new stove bolts for tabs. As mentioned, I also recommend all gaskets for the back panel, damper, flue collar, and cat element panel. Replace catalytic element if needed. A pint of Rutland Black Furnace Cement. go to the rutland.com to find your local dealer. Possibly may need 1/4" thrubolts.
Tools- 1/2" & 1/4" Socket set w/ extensions. #2 & #3 Phillips, Hammer, solid steel chisel between 1/4" and 1/2". Helpful is an angle grinder with wire wheel. Possibly needed is a quality drill and pilto and 1/4" bit or set if Titanium coated or equivalent drill bits.

My explanations are given from the perspective of looking at or into the back of the stove as you work on it.
How to do it: Make your stove accessible and remove the pipe. Remove the heat shield on the rear. Remove the flue collar with your #3 phillips. You are now ready to remove the back panel of the stove. Remove the bottom bolts first and work your way up -the panel should not just fall away but no promises. The panel should remove with a tug up and bottom out first--somewhat heavy but is manageable by one person. Do not let refractory fall out and break. Carefully place aside. At this point you can work on the tabs with easy access. Thinking ahead....Once you have the damper removed, switch tasks and replace your damper's fiberglass gasket following tips below. This will make replacing this gasket easy while it is outside the stove.

Very very carefully try to back out the bolts on the left tab first. The right tab is a more difficult project. Here is where the curveballs start. In mine, the left bolt easily sheared off prompting a few bad words, if you are lucky it will come out and you can just replace the tab. With mine sheared, I was forced to either easy out or thru bolt. This is where the drill and bits came into play. I opted to drill the bolt out and then easily thru bolted the new tab. High quality bits will make this easy if required. Thru bolting the right tab is a different story and requires removing more interior panels. Be very careful with the right tab. On the right tab...."If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I also had no problem replacing the damper bar tab and opted to do it while I was in there as the replacement tabs are stronger than the originals. So hopefully your bolts slip right out and you are able to replace the damper tabs easily. Just remember to do the gasket before you replace the tabs and damper. Once done, test motion and then lock damper closed so gasket seals properly. Place a piece of newspaper in between the damper and fireback so any leaky cement does not stick.

Gaskets and putting it all back together:
I recommend doing the project in this order: Take it apart, clean out all gasket channels and prepare new gaskets for install. Service combustor and put someplace safe. Shop vac any ash or junk out of back of stove. Be careful not to damage ceramic refractory ($400). To replace gaskets, gently tap out old gasket cement with chisel at an angle being careful not to crack the iron. For a super clean, use wire wheel on grinder, 4 or 4.5" works best at high RPM. Measure and cut gasket rope being careful not to stretch or cut too short. Apply Hi-Temp gasket cement or Black Furnace Cement and replace gaskets doing the damper last. Now you finish the tabs part of the project and install and lock the damper. You will notice that the bottom of the back panel has no rope gasket. Myself and others think this is odd and have discussed how to properly seal this area. You may want to further research this part. Since there was cement present at that seal prior, I chose to apply copious amount of black furnace cement to the bottom seat and corners just prior to replacing the back panel. Follow cement direction, wiping clean and leaving area damp. Apply bottom seat cement and take back of stove and slide up under top panel and then into position. Position and thread top bolts working your way down. Then tighten bolts alternately as if you were putting a tire on a car. Keep alternating as gasket compresses. No you can put the cat element back in and replace the cover(your model may be different on this). Then replace the flu collar then the heat shield and.....wait. Wait at least one hour or preferably overnight so cement can set up before you move the stove and possibly rattle it. Later.....Put the stove back in place and connect. Remove newspaper from damper and light a fire that will slowly temp up. Either burn up to 500° for an hour or more or just burn and don't let it get much over 500°. After the stove cools, the cements should be cured. Now you can burn normally. Good Luck and let me know if I can be of any help.
-Darren
 
Excellent instructions Darren. Only thing I might add is soaking the damper tab bolts (and any other bolts you need to remove) with some PB Blaster before trying to remove them. PB Blaster works wonders on rusted and stuck bolts. When I rebuilt my 0028 Encore I too had the infamous broken left damper tab and snapped the bolt trying to remove it. After that harsh lesson I started spraying every bolt I needed to remove with PB blaster and didn't have to deal with another broken bolt.
 
Great Idea. A good hit of PB could very well help. Really nothing to lose and a $4 can will last years. Jim, if you read this... definitely get yourself some PB Blaster.

Redhat, Did you only have to replace the left tab as well or both?
 
Good instructions. Many of the bolts broke when I was rebuilding my #0028. I will only add that any bolts replaced should be replaced with stainless steel bolts.
They literally cost just a few dimes more per bolt and it might save some aggravation if the stove needs to be taken apart again.
 
Free Monomoy said:
Redhat, Did you only have to replace the left tab as well or both?

The left one was the only one damaged, so I didn't mess with the right one. During the rebuild I replaced the lower fireback and came to realize pretty quickly that the upper fireback was also warped and needed to be replaced. So all the work I went through drilling out the snapped off bolt, rethreading the hole and installing the new damper tab was all for nothing, as I ended up replacing the whole assembly.
 
Redhat, Was that when you said screw it and got the new stove? How's the 2550?

Brewz, I also agree....Stainless all the way. Living on Cape Cod, there is no other steel. Sorry I didn't mention that in the instructions as I take the concept for granted.

Cheers
 
Free Monomoy said:
Redhat, Was that when you said screw it and got the new stove? How's the 2550?
Cheers

Quite honestly if it wasn't for Uncle Sam's stimulus check I would still be burning the 0028. I figured I needed to buy something American made with the money, in my mind a 2550 purchase would do more to help stimulate the economy then buying a LCD HDTV made in Korea. After installing the 2550 I did a complete rebuild on the 0028 simply because I like tinkering and restoring things. After my pellet stove in the basement kicks the bucket I'll probably end up putting the 0028 back in service.

Overall I'm very happy with the 2550, although I'd have to say the 0028 was probably a notch higher on the quality scale.
 
That's very American of you. Unfortunately my stimulus was only worth about a cord of wood. If you ever decide you may like to sell, let me know as I'm helping a friend shop for his first stove.
I would love to hear what you think gives the 0028 that 'notch' above that you speak of.
Cheers, Darren
 
Free Monomoy said:
If you ever decide you may like to sell, let me know as I'm helping a friend shop for his first stove.
I would love to hear what you think gives the 0028 that 'notch' above that you speak of.
Cheers, Darren

Don't get me wrong, the 2550 is a quality built stove. It's just the little things, like the fit of the griddle (it's a bit undersized IMHO ) and the ash pan seems a bit flimsier. Overall It performs wonderfully and the the quality of the cast is excellent.

Don't think I'll ever part with my 0028 for sentimental reasons, my Dad bought that stove new over 20 years ago and we spent many quality hours in front of it.
 
homebrewz said:
Good instructions. Many of the bolts broke when I was rebuilding my #0028. I will only add that any bolts replaced should be replaced with stainless steel bolts.
They literally cost just a few dimes more per bolt and it might save some aggravation if the stove needs to be taken apart again.

I'll chime in here & say that even with SS bolts, you're gonna get some galvanic corrosion between the bolts & the cast iron that'll
cause disassembly problems...
If you can get some Nevr Sieze compound on the threads before you assemble, it can help with removal later on..
The less drilling & tapping ya gotta do makes the rebuild much nicer...
 
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