Osburn 1800i BayWood Fireplace Story

brink said:

Beautiful job! I am new to this site and just installed an Osbrun 1800i also. I am going to be re-doing the original brick surround and mantle this summer and you have given me some great ideas. I am wondering where / how you ran the blower power cord? It is not visable in any of the pics unless I missed something.

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Brink, the power cord was routed to the left side behind the surround plate to a point where it exceeds the 10" to any combustibles,
through the framing, plywood, rockboard and hearth stone a hole large enough to fit the plug was fabricated, the hole was then
filled in with 3M fire barrier.

cord below runs to an electical outlet which was feed through the wall on the left side down to the basement hooking into
existing electical which in fact was already the old electrical from the previous job.

best of luck with all of your 1800i
we absolutely love our unit.

chimcheree said:

Mr. Fire Honor Society,

Interesting string of pictures. Big job, big mess. Looks pretty good intermediately now that you have sheetrock back on and painted. I'm curious what you did inside that wall, as I couldn't see clearly in the pictures, just that the chimney was obscured before the framing went up. As this is always one of the parts of a chimney I hardly ever get to inspect, and where a big share of the structural fires related to fireplaces occur, I hope you didn't do what I thought it looked like... tarpaper or some tarred board between the chimney and the framing. Is there at least an inch of clear air space between the wood and the chimney?
My son-in-law recently had all the sheetrock off around his room with the fireplace. We found no clearance between the framing and chimney, and the plate across the lintel buried in mortar. He asked the sheetrock crew to leave that uncovered so he could fix it, but they covered it back up anyway. Now they are scared to use their fireplace.

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Mr. chimcheree,

the handle is "67ref" not Mr. Fire Honor Society

in reviewing of your comment it is my personal opinion that you are simply attempting to instill unnecessary fear in people.
you may very well operate a business of Chimney installations but this job was build according to specs and permits and has been
100% signed of on my both installation WETT certification and Ontario Building Permits.

From your comments, including that you failed to view all photos, it's become clear to me that you did not notice
this is an existing masonry fireplace, where an insert was added, seems to me you think somehow the wall was closed up and there is a tube in there somewhere.

This was all put backtogether as previous build, it was a repair process on the wall.
the white face brick in the first photo is cosmetics, there is rough in masonry chamber behind that wall,
within that cavity of the chimney is now a 6" approved liner taking the flames and heat out to the top,
any fire would never reach anything within the wall, unless where your from, fire burns through concrete and bricks.

I'm not sure what to tell you, your missing something here!
this is all signed off on from the permits office!

your comments are not appreciated at all, particular the "STOP NOW" and that I will be burning down the house.
thank you for those pleasent comments, nothing better then insulting others with fear.

Mr. chimcheree,
Secondly, you have no idea what you are talking about .... point blank!

This is an Osburn 1800i insert which is approved to be installed into an existing masonry fireplace!
it does not require by code to have 18" legs on it you uneducated indivudual ! (and I'm being nice here)
this unit is not available with 18" legs nor is is an option, it's a fricken insert man!


You are adrressing the wrong person about the install, Brinks photos and install is yet to follow.


your next comment: "Yes, I am concerned about the wood under the hearty. Fire codes such as NFPA 211, or your local building code, IRC, BOCA, CABO, or whatever, all call for there to be no wood at all anywhere beneath the hearth extension."

first of all, this has all been carefully drawn out and sumitted to Building Permits office and it was signed of on,
even got some comments on job well done and one slight correction.

this job was done in Ontario Canada and perhaps Fire codes on your planet are different but this was all done
as a repair/replace process, codes were followed and signed off on.

There is an entire existing masonry chimney which is exterior going into the house, wood framing is part of a home,
it's how it comes into the home and rotten beams were simply replaced, insulation added and drywall, paint finished the applications.

I've become so angry with your uneducated comments !
pardon my frustrations !

to clarify" the existing masonry was not tampered with, it's in tact and was not openend during demolition,
the heart extention was build "as per code with a permit and signed off on as approved" using 2X4 wooden framing,
it is covered with Durock board sealed with cement at the seams and has huge heart stones cemented on top of that,
there is no place for anything fire related to end up anywhere near the wood framing.

the existing masonry and hearth were a raised stepup into the fireplace cavity,
clearly one can see in the photos that it had to be build up to meet it's masonry ledge and trust me,
I inquired about whether such is allowed and I was told it was by officials whom granted me this permit to perform this work.

as a matter of a fact, the building inspector actually recommened that I added a folded piece of metal ductwork sheet
where the insert meets the hearth extention, so below the 2" thick stone, is a metal barrier to prevent any hot ambers
to fall down in between to anything wood related, now also learn that all seams were filled with concrete thus leaving
no way in down below as it's incased by non-combustible materials.

lastly !
your comments: "maintained proper clearances, but improper clearances there are a major cause of structural fires."
and "The other glaring problem is the wood firring on the face of the fireplace. There is not supposed to be any framing wood ..."



There is a 1" clearance on all the wood to the existing masonry brick and block,
and I'll repeat "signed off on by building permits office"

perhaps you do not clearly understand when they say so many inches to all sides to non-combustible materials!
this applications was build with a couple extra inches to any combustibles and where anything was near it was protected
with metal and has been approved pre and post installation.


Your comments upset me a great deal, particular where you come on here and yell to "STOP IT" and as rude as you can be
start advertising for others to not build as I have.

the word is "IGNORANT"
but because you've successfully managed to instill fear .... now I'm going to have to go back to the Building Permits Office
and get them to review my files and give me yet again another "APPROVED" stamp to make all what you've just created in my mind,
go away for my own sake.

Thank you for your concerns and thousand thanks for all your uneducated comments!
Next time take the time to actually look at pictures before commenting, that would help a great deal.

It's an approved insert man !
give me a break with the required 18" legs on it ... really ? TOO MUCH YOU ARE

It's an approved firebox build by a company that list this unit at an INSERT,
which means the unit slides into an existing masonry fireplace where the unit rests on the bottom of the old fireplace.

18" legs on it ... give me a break!

did you really think I bought a stove and removed the legs on it to try and make it look like an insert ?

I'm sorry but you have frusterated me to no end and it's my opinion you should do some homework before commenting like that !

thank you!
yes the manual for the 1800i which is the insert was reviewed along with the application by the inspector,
this unit DOES NOT require 18" legs on it and as far as the hearth extention outwards, it was not enough
on the stone which lays ontop of the 2X4 wooden contructed hearth but was approved to have 12X12 ceramic tiles down below.

why would someone say something like that ?

it's all within clearance to anything combustible.
I don't have it in front of me right now but it was something like 14" from the top of the unit
and I think 10" to each side and 18" outward on the front from the unit body and with this
bayview model it means the door/glass not the actual blower casing.

I don't get it ... was all drawn up and work was permitted then inspected and signed off on.

for someone that run a chimney business to get on me about needing 18" legs on this unit
and that 2x4 wooden construction is not allowed is behond me ...

gives me a headache actually.

Thank you!

yes feels real good, still need to finish the facing and the mantle but yes,
have been heating with it now since Dec 12th, works real good.

Furnace stopped running although we give it a go every now and then
to keep the basement from turning into an ice cube. mostly have the
dampers turned off upstairs and wide open to the basement.

do find that every three days time for cool down and cleanout.
but this is to be expected I suppose ...

thank you again.

fossil;
thank you so much for those words, you have no idea what this has all done to me last couple of days.
you a lawyer by chance, sure good writting on your part.

thank you for the many good comments, to you North of 60 as well, thank you!

the latested verdicts is as following;

just had a visit from our ward's representative of the Fire Prevention's Office,
these are the guys you get to talk to when you phone the city's Fire Station whom then pass you to thier
Fire Prevention representatives. the guy called and said he was able to come over right away, he shows up
and although the insert was hot we carefully managed to remove the surround and view the internals.

all the paperwork and some good pictures showing the pre contructions where brought out for review.
Documentation for the unit aswell and reviewed carefully, he took some measurements and agreed that
perhaps others could be concerned when seeing this wooden structure all around this wood burning appliance
but he swore up and down, that it's to code and as a matter a fact when a stove company submits thier product
to testing it's a 1 hour burn test to no more then 90C temperature testing to the nearest combustible.

in this cause the 14" up and 10" to the sides, meets such requirements.
an IR temp testing (after he threw some small spits on and stoked it with open air for a good ten minutes) revealed
that the temp directly above the unit is only getting up to 52C. (durock and wood) and he said maybe add 10 or 20 max.
more let say we really got it running too hot, that is still would not get anywhere above 90 and is as per the testing
of ULC S628 CANADA. and that those are over stated numbers for testing purposes when a company submits thier
production for testing.

he indicated that as long as there is space between the actual masonry work, of the actual masonry fireplace, to the wooden framing,
which he was able to see in both the pictures and as well from having a look up past the durock board at the top, that it meets the
manufactures requires clearances to combustibles and therefor meets the ULC S628 standards to which the unit was tested
and approved for such rating.

I nagged him some more about that someone had put fear into me about the wooden hearth structure,
he flipped through some pages in his book and eventually showed me some text which stated that
a heart extention outwards is for spark prevention, insert rests within the designanted masonry fireplace,
he looked at the unit some more and confirmed the actual firebox of the unit is within the masonry firebrick
fireplace as required by the manufacture and local code. he noted that the hearth is to be covered with
non-combustible material to pass code, I believe he said 1 5/8" material. he said that sometimes people
have to double up on the durock to meet such because a thinner tile was used, he's seen it done before.

he measured the thickness of my "approved" fireplace hearth stones, verified the reciepts for such
and said, you have plenty of thickness, I mentioned that eventhough i didn't have any pictures of it,
beneath the durock board screwed into the based CDX plywood there is a large piece of metal ductwork
material covered by cement directly below where the unit meets the ledge of the stone, good idea he says;
not required but very good prevention, I mentioned that it was a recommendation from the Building Permits
office although by code not required. Overkill is the word we settled on.

he reminded me to do inspections of the entire thing and keep an eye on structural movements
which then may crack cement seams and open up possibilities for hot embers to drop into,
although with the durock and heat shield, he stated that it's something to be concerned about
but it just requires common sense and regular inspections and that embers don't just drop down
past all of this non-combustible material and ignite something.

he said it's a good point of concern but all this here meets requirements and is allowed as per Ontario building codes.

the bottom line, it's installed as per manufactures requirments and meets local code.
he said: WETT certification dealers and installed do not put their bread and butter on the line
by simply selling a few thousand dollar stove and risk the fact of being sued when signing off
on any unsafe installation that is not up to code.

I recall the installer taking a real good look around prior to going back out to the truck
to bring the unit it. I had asked if there were any concerns and he said no other then
that he didn't see the 12X12 tiling on the floor as part of the extentions because the stones
are only 21" and the blower motor enclosure stick out 10.5" I showed him the tiles
awaiting at the side and mention those were going in directly infront of the heart
but would not be fully fastened until we got the flooring in.

It's all to code and safe to continue using.