Wood Doctor Converter Better For Canadians?

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I came across a wood boiler from the Canadian company Wood Doctor called the Converter. The Converter is an OWB that is also certified for installation indoors and has only one size - 250,000 BTU (though real world experience suggests it is lower according to the rep).

The company claims it is a wood gasification unit and has had this model available for years but has just never called it that. The EPA testing scores (though evaluated by a private lab) they have produced appear better then the Garn so it seems to be worth a closer look for me.

From website:
Satisfactory preliminary test by a Certified Lab have been completed.

See test results below:
Models WD8000BP (Medium) 0.344 lb/MBTU
Model WD30000BP (Industrial) 0.070 lb/MBTU
Model WD10000BP (Original Converter) 0.239 lb/MBTU

Wood Doctor will now conduct Method 28 test, as required by EPA in compliance with the EPA Partnership program.

Unlike the Garn, it comes with no significant hot water storage so some indirect water heater is necessary even though the manufacturers rep didn't think so. Unlike the EKO, it seems to be of a simpler design with less constant fiddling (but I only say that based on what I've read from some EKO owners).

The big thing here is that the Converter is being made in Canada and the cost is significantly cheaper for us (25% right off the top) and no further customs or duty and especially tariffs for boilers that originate in places like Poland or the Czech republic. It is pretty significant in that I figure it costs a Canadian about 50% the price of an equivalent Tarm or EKO brought up from the US.

The sales guy I spoke with, Neil Rob - 519-295-0055, is definitely one of the better boiler sales persons I've spoken with. He gives you the no guff - bitter/better drawbacks and benefits of this unit which is a refreshing change from the "greatest thing since sliced bread" mantra of the other boiler salespeople I've spoken with..............if the others actually take or return your calls that is.

But I'm not here to pitch the company or product. What I want to know is:

1. Anybody out there using this unit or been exposed to it?
2. Are the manufacturers claims exaggerated or false and why?

http://wooddoctorfurnace.com/converter.html
 
I have the older style and am very happy with its performance. I think some of the numbers are on the high side. Heats up to 10,000 sq ft might be so in New Jersey but not so in a little colder climate. I will be heating two finished building about 5000 sq ft when done with spray foam insulation so I will be fine. Pretty simple to install plus with the wealth of knowledge on this site every thing went well.
 
Yes I have the converter, wd redesigned the new converter boiler supposedly to meet phase 2 emissions which the original only meets phase 1. But I do not think they are shipping them yet. I am on their email list and have not received any notice of the new style being offered.
 
Wood Doctor's converter was originally called the"Johnson Energy Converter " A google search does not reveal anything too exciting.
Jim
 
Hey grainfed,
Not sure where you're located in AB. but I'm quite certain I received a mail out package from a Wood Doctor dealer near Red Deer last year and they carried the Convertor at that time. Fill out the form on the W.D. web site and you'll probably get the same package from the same dealer. Don't know about the Converter it's never discussed in any forums so it's hard to say if it's a real gasifier or just OWB hype.

It sounds like we're in the same boat searching for gasifiers readily available in Western Canada is almost barren of options. Don't know if you have contacted Advanced Biotechnology Inc. (http://www.gomixer.com/) in Airdrie they sell Atmos and they've set up some very big systems using external storage. Visit if you can they're very helpful and you'll be impressed with the capabilities of Atmos plus the prices are lower than other gasifier units. (I'm not associated with this company just my honest opinion.) The only negative I found was the smallish wood box had an appetite for smallish wood but this may depend upon the model.

I've got a line on an old Kerr Jetstream circa. 1983 but if that unit is too worn out I'll be going with an Atmos + storage. There just doesn't seem to be many reasonable options for us Canucks.
 
Keeps the "ole homestead" warm without spewing smoke and creosote particles in the air and based on my wood consumption compared to other wood boiler in my neighborhood, we are happy but if you are not writing a check to opec a well built fireplace would be satisfying.
 
gorbull said:
It sounds like we're in the same boat searching for gasifiers readily available in Western Canada is almost barren of options. Don't know if you have contacted Advanced Biotechnology Inc. (http://www.gomixer.com/) in Airdrie they sell Atmos and they've set up some very big systems using external storage.

I called them and found the larger units a bit more pricey and the biggest they can get is a DC 75 anyway. But I do like how close they are and in comparison to American prices it is probably a good 25-40% cheaper.

gorbull said:
I've got a line on an old Kerr Jetstream circa. 1983 but if that unit is too worn out I'll be going with an Atmos + storage. There just doesn't seem to be many reasonable options for us Canucks.

In BC there is a guy selling a unit that looks like a rebadged Seton manufactured in Maine. Their prices are in the 9-13,000 Cdn range. This is the company: http://www.greenhorizonboilers.com/
 
Sorry for the late post but I just got back from 2 weeks in Mexico, where I wasn't fretting too much about burning wood!
There is a Wood Doctor dealer located in Athabaska, AB. that carries the convertor model, Wild Rose Hydronics (http://www.noutilitybills.com/OutdoorFurnace/Wood/WDEC.html). Be warned their web site is a bit of a jungle but they seem to have access to a lot of different products including the Biasi boiler line.

On another note, what are the implications (duties, tariffs, taxes?) of bringing a boiler into Canada from the U.S. or directly from Poland through Kotly.com?

If this post is dead I'll start a new one.
 
The Homesteader OWB made in Winkler Manitoba is a good choice IMHO
 
Did a tremendous amount of research into gasification boilers before I decided to go with the Wood Doctor HE-8000. The plumber that I used to install the boiler said he installs around 25 boilers per year and this is one of the best built units he has ever seen. Have been using it for a couple of weeks now and it is fabulous. A friend of mine also has the HE-8000 and has been using his for sever years now and thorougly loves his unit. My neighbors were quite worried about it when they saw I was installing an out door boiler, as they were affraid it would be a typical locomotive style boiler, but it's not. Once you get the initial fire going in the unit there is virtually no smoke. Just a little wisper of smoke, (much less than a good wood stove enen) coming out of the chimney. You do get a little smoke when you open the bypass then the doors to load the furnace with wood, but even the smoke is minimal. Have turned off the electricity to the hot water heater and have all the hot water we can use and all the heat you would ever want. Mine is connected to a forced air furnace and it works fantastic. Would recommend this unit to anyone who was serious about purchasing an outdoor boiler.

Best of luck to you

Bob "The Champlain Chef" of Vermont
 
I also researched my butt off since April of this year and went with the HE-5000. I fired it up Oct 1st (I know, early but I couldn't wait) I have the same exact results as the previous poster for smoke and clean operation. When the fan kicks on and the draft door opens I get a puff of smoke and in literaly 15 to 20 seconds there is no more smoke. When I load, you get some smoke but only for a couple minutes. It is working flawlessly. It is a "tad" tricky to keep it burning because we really haven't had it that cold yet, but nothing serious. I heat 2 connected homes at about 3000 sq ft combined via 2 forced air heaters, (the girls keep the temp at 75 degrees) a 1000 sq ft garage with in floor radiant heat, all my domestic hot water, and I keep my hot tub @ 102 degrees...... propane was over $1K a "month" for Dec, Jan, and Feb the last 2 years.....$8K for last heating season alone. My payback shouldn't take long at all.

So far, I could not be happier with my purchase.
 
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