My VC story

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schortie

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I am a VC owner and here is my story.

At the end of October we purchased a VC Defiant nc. We bought the stove based on it aesthetics and the fact that everyone we spoke with and trusted went on and on about how great VC stoves were. We knew absolutely nothing about burning wood. I just thought that we'd through in some wood, light it on fire, and it would burn for ten hours in this magic machine while heating our 2400 sq. ft. Clearly, not the case. Thankfully I found this sight, learned how to run the everburn, and actually got the stove running well - with a few exceptions. Our house stayed toasty warm and the furnace has rarely come on.

As of the last coupla weeks, things changed.

The stove began to run weakly. We were getting little heat, limited to nonexistent "everburn rumble", significant, even violent whoofing, and a lot of flame in the firebox with the damper engaged (which was unusual for this stove) and consistent smoke from the chimney. We were using the same wood so I thought that we must have a clogged flue or chimney cap (deduced thanks to the countless hours I've spent on this sight). When things warmed up this past weekend I got up on the roof. The cap was a little crummy, but not close to being plugged. The stack was clean. So, I disconnected the pipe from the stove and had a look - clean. So, I got into the stove, and cleaned it out. I noticed what looked like ash in the throat of the refractory - it wasn't ash. It was a pile of the potato chip like material mentioned in other posts. I reached in there and pulled out a number of chips and a great deal of a sandy material that seemed to be the "chips" broken down even further. Looking down the back of the stove, there were plenty of chips on either side of the fountain assembly. The stove is three months old and the refractory was disintegrating!!!

With propane burning and my blood boiling, I called the dealer Monday. They apologized and said that they were on it. A coupla hours later I got a call from the VC sales rep. He said he would order the necessary parts and get back to me. Today (Tuesday) he called. The parts (refractory, refractory shoe, fountain assembly, and upper fireback) should be to him in a week and a half and when he knew for certain he would call me and set up a time to send someone out to replace/rebuild the inerds of the stove. The dealer assured me that this would be covered by the warranty and even if VC wouldn't cover it, that was their (the dealer's) problem, not ours - WOW!

While I am sincerely PO'd about our POS stove, and highly concerned that the new inerds might only last a coupla months (we'll hopefully not have to cross that bridge), I am beyond impressed with my dealer as well as the quick response from the VC rep.

I have hopes that the new parts will hold up for the many years I am/was hoping to have this stove. It's not a frequent occurrence, but I'm trying to stay positive - do I have a choice?

To be continued in a week or two.
 
Well, good on the Dealer/rep. I hope the parts are replaced and you don't have that problem again. I find it very disappointing that Vermont Castings has gone downhill like they have. I would buy one in a heartbeat if they actually stood up to the test of time. Imo, they are in a league of their own in the aesthetics department. No stove even comes close to looking as good.

I don't like the looks of the jotul's as much, but when I fork out $3000 dollars (CDN) on a wood stove, I want it to last for years and years, not months and months.

Keep us posted. Will be interested to see how the repair goes. Good luck.
 
"With propane burning and my blood boiling, I called the dealer Monday. They apologized and said that they were on it. A coupla hours later I got a call from the VC sales rep. He said he would order the necessary parts and get back to me. Today (Tuesday) he called. The parts (refractory, refractory shoe, fountain assembly, and upper fireback) should be to him in a week and a half and when he knew for certain he would call me and set up a time to send someone out to replace/rebuild the inerds of the stove."

Two weeks to get the parts? In the middle of the winter? Good that they are taking responsibility, but a disgrace that they are wasting so much time. Ever heard of next day air? And then you'll be waiting for their service man's schedule. Best case, you end up with a rebuilt stove after several weeks of burning propane in the harshest part of the winter. I hope it's not like getting a repainted car.
 
I feel the same way you do about it Web. I'm afraid If it were me, I would insist they take the stove back & replace it with another one from a different manufacturer if they have one you like and if not to give you your money back so you can go elsewhere. From what happen after just a short time would be enough for me with that stove.
 
Well, I think you have to give folks a shot at fixing something, but it would be nice to hear that perhaps the vendor that supplies the refractory made a bad batch or something like that...something which assures you that it will not happen once a year.

I think we have had other reports of this - but certainly not a large percentage of the users. Then again, it's a very cold winter and folks are using stoves harder than before.
 
schortie said:
I am a VC owner and here is my story.

At the end of October we purchased a VC Defiant nc. We bought the stove based on it aesthetics and the fact that everyone we spoke with and trusted went on and on about how great VC stoves were. We knew absolutely nothing about burning wood. I just thought that we'd through in some wood, light it on fire, and it would burn for ten hours in this magic machine while heating our 2400 sq. ft. Clearly, not the case. Thankfully I found this sight, learned how to run the everburn, and actually got the stove running well - with a few exceptions. Our house stayed toasty warm and the furnace has rarely come on.

As of the last coupla weeks, things changed.

The stove began to run weakly. We were getting little heat, limited to nonexistent "everburn rumble", significant, even violent whoofing, and a lot of flame in the firebox with the damper engaged (which was unusual for this stove) and consistent smoke from the chimney. We were using the same wood so I thought that we must have a clogged flue or chimney cap (deduced thanks to the countless hours I've spent on this sight). When things warmed up this past weekend I got up on the roof. The cap was a little crummy, but not close to being plugged. The stack was clean. So, I disconnected the pipe from the stove and had a look - clean. So, I got into the stove, and cleaned it out. I noticed what looked like ash in the throat of the refractory - it wasn't ash. It was a pile of the potato chip like material mentioned in other posts. I reached in there and pulled out a number of chips and a great deal of a sandy material that seemed to be the "chips" broken down even further. Looking down the back of the stove, there were plenty of chips on either side of the fountain assembly. The stove is three months old and the refractory was disintegrating!!!

With propane burning and my blood boiling, I called the dealer Monday. They apologized and said that they were on it. A coupla hours later I got a call from the VC sales rep. He said he would order the necessary parts and get back to me. Today (Tuesday) he called. The parts (refractory, refractory shoe, fountain assembly, and upper fireback) should be to him in a week and a half and when he knew for certain he would call me and set up a time to send someone out to replace/rebuild the inerds of the stove. The dealer assured me that this would be covered by the warranty and even if VC wouldn't cover it, that was their (the dealer's) problem, not ours - WOW!

While I am sincerely PO'd about our POS stove, and highly concerned that the new inerds might only last a coupla months (we'll hopefully not have to cross that bridge), I am beyond impressed with my dealer as well as the quick response from the VC rep.

I have hopes that the new parts will hold up for the many years I am/was hoping to have this stove. It's not a frequent occurrence, but I'm trying to stay positive - do I have a choice?

To be continued in a week or two.


In terms of decline in performance I think what is happening here is ash buildup at the back of the refactory chamber. You need to do a thorough cleaning of the unit especially at the back. The best way to get at is by removing the flue collar adapter & running a vacuum hose (very gently) down those tunnels on both sides of the chamber. You will be surprised how much ash you will find back there!

Some folks here remove the shoe as well & cleans the intake passages... I personally have not done it yet (3rd yr burning 24/7)

These stoves are extremely sensitive to flue set ups, if yours has been running well for the past three months that means you have a pretty decent set up....therefore any...any accumulation of "gunk" at the cap will negatively effect the performance. I hope while you were up there you cleaned the pipes!!


As for the refactory disintegration....I too get the occasional flakes falling down into the shoe. The scaling is apparently normal...(not sure about that) but it has not affected the performance yet.

When the dealer comes to replace the refactory make sure to keep the old one....you never know when it might come handy!!
 
Hardcore said:
Well, good on the Dealer/rep. I hope the parts are replaced and you don't have that problem again. I find it very disappointing that Vermont Castings has gone downhill like they have. I would buy one in a heartbeat if they actually stood up to the test of time. Imo, they are in a league of their own in the aesthetics department. No stove even comes close to looking as good.

I don't like the looks of the jotul's as much, but when I fork out $3000 dollars (CDN) on a wood stove, I want it to last for years and years, not months and months.

Keep us posted. Will be interested to see how the repair goes. Good luck.

Take a look at the Quadrafire Isle Royale. Very similar looking to the VC stoves, but the symmetry of the double doors is what does it for me. I have a very hard time thinking that the asymmetrical single door setups look as good, but it does eliminate lots of air leak/gasket issues.
 
schortie said:
I am a VC owner and here is my story.


With propane burning and my blood boiling, I called the dealer Monday. They apologized and said that they were on it. A coupla hours later I got a call from the VC sales rep. He said he would order the necessary parts and get back to me. Today (Tuesday) he called. The parts (refractory, refractory shoe, fountain assembly, and upper fireback) should be to him in a week and a half and when he knew for certain he would call me and set up a time to send someone out to replace/rebuild the inerds of the stove. The dealer assured me that this would be covered by the warranty and even if VC wouldn't cover it, that was their (the dealer's) problem, not ours - WOW!



To be continued in a week or two.

I would also ask them who was covering the propane bill in the meantime.
 
Webmaster said:
Well, I think you have to give folks a shot at fixing something, but it would be nice to hear that perhaps the vendor that supplies the refractory made a bad batch or something like that...something which assures you that it will not happen once a year.

I think we have had other reports of this - but certainly not a large percentage of the users. Then again, it's a very cold winter and folks are using stoves harder than before.

I may sound harsh about it, but from what happened would be enough to make me loose all confidence in that stove etc. That's all it would take for me to change stoves. The Dealer sounds very reputable and nice and I'm sure they don't want to gain a bad reputation from this type of a performance out of a stove they sell either. The manufacturer is the problem here and for them to create a waiting period just to get some parts that may not be of any better quality than the last ones during the dead of winter on top of it all is unacceptable in my opinion.
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