Do'nt give up on pellets see what opec has in store for you they are not your friends

LOL, I didn't hear them complaining about their level of income last summer when oil remained well over $120 a barrel for a long period of time!

Give up? Well the oil market pissed me off last summer, so I switched to NG. The pellet companies have pretty much burned their bridge with me at this point as well... Wood and coal for me going forward with NG as a backup. I've had it with crazy market fluctuations and price gouging/fixing...

I have a feeling we will all be seeing $5.00 a gallon gas very soon! Unless we really get serious about energy alternatives, OPEC will have us in a bind. I at least feel that there is some competition between pellet manufacturers and I can usually save by shopping around for pellets. I don't feel that way about gas at all.

How many years of oil do we have in out reserves..I thought I read somewhere between 10-18 YEARS!!......Let the arabs sweat it out a few years..hell ..let them sweat for just 1 year WITHOUT US BUYING 1 BARREL FROM THEM or anyother country that can produce its own oil for just 1 year...then see if they can't live on less than $50/barrel..GREEDY OIL PIGS...

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http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/jan2009/gb20090130_768973.htm?chan=globalbiz_europe+index+page_energy++amp;+environment

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uggggggggh..that article just pissed me offughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..mother#$k%in GREEEEDY TRILLIONAIRES....what they gotta drop having only 1 rolls royce for everyday to 1 for everyOTHER day..bastards!!boo hooooo...I'll take what they earn in just 1 minute vs my yearly check....and they will still whoop my ass......bill gates ain't got nothing on these thugs..

the world is these jerks toilets and were at the edge of the leech field just waiting for the next flush....

I cannot voice on this forum what I really would like to say...this is >:-( disgusting.

What is that I smell.....perhaps another "Bailout....."

I would not worry about OPEC keeping us in recession. Our own government seems quite intent on keeping us in one and eventually make us all dependent on handouts. Every time O (or Geithner) opens his mouth the market takes another dive. As for pellets, they are anywhere from 350 to nearly 400 a ton on Long Island - very discouraging. Gonna start putting my resources into food, water and ammo.

Did Chief Executive Tony Hayward testify before Congress that "Oil comp. dont set the price the market does." But here he is saying that the market price for oil should be double? I SAY BOYCOTT BP OIL

Ah, the serfs are restless.

Never mind that most of our oil is DOMESTIC and/or comes from Canada or Mexico, etc.

Don't those serfs always like a scapegoat?

Personally, I think oil is a bargain now and a good deal at $100 a barrel also. Try hiring some folks to push your 4,000 LB SUV 20 miles down the road for $4 and see how far you get.

Just because a "drug" has been cheap before, does not mean you entitled by birthright for it to be cheap forever. And, it seems a little strange that Americans...who I know like to consider themselves pure capitalists....have ANY concern about someone else making millions or trillions on stuff which BELONGS TO THEM.

Tough concepts, I know.....

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Never mind that most of our oil is DOMESTIC and/or comes from Canada or Mexico, etc.

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That is just barely true. It is so close to false that it undermines your argument.

We produce about 5 million barrels a day (a small fraction of which we then export).
We import about 10 million barrels a day. around 2M of that comes from Canada, around 1+ from mexico. Canada is the #1 foreign source, Mexico is #3.

That's 8M of the 15M (53%) per day of total consumption from NAFTA sources, and just 3 out of the 10 (30%) supplied from foreign sources. It is not useful to present that as most of our oil being domestic or canadian or mexican.

Its also worth noting that global oil consumption is a zero sum game. Just because we don't consume massive amounts of russian, chinese, saudi arabian, and iranian oil directly (all bigger producers than canada or mexico) doesn't mean we aren't in competition for nafta produced oil with the people who do, and the NAFTA friendly tariffs advantages can quickly be overwhelmed by changes in those other markets. China in particular has an economy that will grow over the next decade (perhaps taking a breather for the recession) and will demand significant imports of its own.

Personally, I don't think this interconnectedness is an all bad thing like many in this forum - I believe the whole world needs to get its petroleum consumption down, this isn't about going it alone and having energy independence, and I concur with your other thoughts about the relatively good value of the current oil price levels - but there is no rational way to deny our current dependence exists.

The Dept of Energy makes very useful oil consumption stats available and updates them regularly: http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html

Well, Pat, in all your honesty you should state what percentage comes from the OPEC nations which are the subject of this thread.......

It is very certain that this OPEC oil in no way represent the majority of oil that we use. In addition to that, many OPEC countries do not have billionaire princes, etc. - Iran, Venezuela, etc.

The point is that folks rally about the big bad oil companies and producers.....but they don't yell at Canada and Mexico, etc. - or scream at the domestic companies for raking in the biggest profits in the history of mankind.

I'm with you.....I personally don't care where the energy comes from.....just so we use less. We could take each little country and say:
"We don't like Canadian oil because they are socialists with free health care" "We don't like Mexican oil because they are sending drugs and poor people here" "We don't like S. American oil because they are socialists too", etc. etc. - but, IMHO, that's all crybaby stuff. If one really has a deep conscience about it, stop using the stuff whenever possible, buy a woodlot, use a bike more, etc. etc.

Our energy problems really have nothing to do with rich kings. Maybe with rich corporations.....but probably not even that. They have to do with overuse of resources.

Great so the bussines cycle that every other company in the free world puts up with is some how bad for oil?! If they can't invest during the leaner times it will just make more profit during the boom times, duh! You can tell these guys think socialist rules would be better, to bad that would ignore the rules of an supply and demand. I hope they do "take oil off the market" to try to inflate the price, it is the only way we will get a fire lit under our ruling classes in washinton, DC to get serious about nuclear energy, drilling, and clean coal for real, (almost all of the best coal is in the scranton, PA area, but no mines operating now) the new crew in DC can talk alternative all they want then.

I'm sure you know the "best coal" you are talking about is 4 to 5x the price of the coal they use for current generation.....solar would be cheaper!
The reason coal is used is that the soft coal is dirt cheap..........and easy to mine. Not so with the hard coal. They have already mined most of it which is relatively easy (and even that is not easy) to get at.

Just keeping you on your energy toes.....

Oh, and there is quite a bit of money in the budget for "clean coal" R&D;- of course, that is MUCH further in the future than solar and wind and just about every other fuel. As of now it is about the same pipe dream as being able to know what to do with nuclear waste.

Drilling here? The oil companies are running away fast because the price is not high enough. If you want more drilling here, ask your friends in DC to raise the price...

just saying......

It was in our local paper yesterday that the local nuke plant - which is already seeking a 40 year extension of the plant life, now has to store the nuke waste on site (next to the river) probably FOREVER. They have been informed that the fed repository will not be open until at least 2025 IF EVER. Perhaps you would want us to cart the stuff up near you in Maine...that way it might seep into your groundwater. After all, we really don't need Maine and the rest of us need the energy. What do you think

"After all, we really don’t need Maine and the rest of us need the energy. "

Which is the reason why all you folks from away own second homes around the lakes here in Maine.

I guess we need to store that nuclear waste in those structures.

Better yet you make the waste, store it in downtown Boston or send it out to the Cape.

Your from Massachusetts that explains your self hating attitude. I don't drive an SUV I drive a Ford that gets 30 mpg. What do you drive a Prius. Also If you think oil is such a bargain what are you doing wasting your time on this site? As far as being a cry baby I don't know who you are talking about should we do roll over and beg the Government to take care of us! Oh sorry Mass already did that!

Oh yeah windmills are great unless they are in front of your beach house in Martha's Vineyard.

Your from Massachusetts that explains your self hating attitude. I don't drive an SUV I drive a Ford that gets 30 mpg. What do you drive a Prius. Also If you think oil is such a bargain what are you doing wasting your time on this site? As far as being a cry baby I don't know who you are talking about should we do roll over and beg the Government to take care of us! Oh sorry Mass already did that!

Oh yeah windmills are great unless they are in front of your beach house in Martha's Vineyard. Right!

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I'm sure you know the "best coal" you are talking about is 4 to 5x the price of the coal they use for current generation.....solar would be cheaper!
The reason coal is used is that the soft coal is dirt cheap..........and easy to mine. Not so with the hard coal. They have already mined most of it which is relatively easy (and even that is not easy) to get at.

Just keeping you on your energy toes.....

Oh, and there is quite a bit of money in the budget for "clean coal" R&D;- of course, that is MUCH further in the future than solar and wind and just about every other fuel. As of now it is about the same pipe dream as being able to know what to do with nuclear waste.

Drilling here? The oil companies are running away fast because the price is not high enough. If you want more drilling here, ask your friends in DC to raise the price...

just saying......

It was in our local paper yesterday that the local nuke plant - which is already seeking a 40 year extension of the plant life, now has to store the nuke waste on site (next to the river) probably FOREVER. They have been informed that the fed repository will not be open until at least 2025 IF EVER. Perhaps you would want us to cart the stuff up near you in Maine...that way it might seep into your groundwater. After all, we really don't need Maine and the rest of us need the energy. What do you think

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If we could reprocess it like France and other countries with sane policys do (thanks alot carter!) we would have much less to store, and they vitrify the unusable waste (make it into little glass marbles) and store it in old salt mines where ground water isn't much of a problem. We have created our waste problem through bad government, just like bad government has created the hold up on the national storage. Both issues were created (bought) by the anti nuke sierra club types to stop the only real way out of "our dependence on foriegn oil".
Solar works most of the time, wind works when there is wind, Hydro is great in the right places, but none of them is consistent enough to be the main support for the grid. (possibly hydro) If you are serious about reducing "global warming" nuclear is the answer, unless you want a undependable grid, (try running a factory on that). Until then we will put up with the polution from coal. (I gues having a bunch of redneck coal miners die and live with the long term effects of coal is ok, but don't put any danger near your middle class neighborhood, even though you enjoy the benifits of the power)
I would love to have maine become the national storage site, it would bring us jobs and not have a negative impact on the state. I see most of the issues brought up and fought over and over in court with the national storage site, as a side show to try and kill the nuclear industry.
It is typical that one of the founders of greenpeace now says He got it wrong, greenpeace should be supporting nuclear, not fighting it. He said he was young and uniformed at the time, but now knows better and supports it.

Drive a vintage moped (100+miles per gallon)...I have a few for sale.

Great Idea rowerwet, I think MT Katahdin would make a good storage site.

If we put it all up in aroostic county would anybody notice?