The reason i have decided to start burning wood to heat my home

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Sounds like you seriously made the economic argument work for you quickly. Ours was far more marginal - longer term. Particularly when paying 'retail' prices for delivered (not)"seasoned" wood in the fall. I will be doing much better economically this winter with properly seasoned wood now running an average cost of less than 140/cord vs the 290 I paid last fall for marginal wood. But as I said earlier, I believe I have learned there are many more reasons to keep burning... For each person of course there will likely be one or more reasons that stands out more. I'm glad you found great savings, but I certainly do not envy your having had such a high energy bill!
 
i needed to find a way to heat old homes i remodel and sell. As it sometimes takes many months to complete over winter, the gas and oil route cuts into profits too deep. Also i always have waste wood i need to get rid of. What better way to dispose of waste wood and get fre heat at the same time. This year i went with a Harman TL-300. As i have come to learn it was one of the best stoves for my application aS IT HAS VERY LONG BURN TIMES BETWEEN RELOADING. Up to 20+ hours. I only went through a little over 2 cords the whole winter. Im sure this stove ($2000) will pay for itself in less than 2 years.
Cost for wood is
Waste construction wood = Free
Hardwood =pricee to rent a splitter about $10 a cord
 
I definitely hate winter. I decided to get an insert because it would give me something to do, instead of pissing and moaning about how much I hate winter. Maybe I would save a buck in the process. Guess what? It worked. What I didn't expect was how much my family loved having the insert. It has been a win-win, and the monetary savings are an afterthought. But if you are keeping score, I saved about $600-800 this year in oil.
 
Reasons are simple

1. Last summer oil heat was near $5.00 per gallon. We averaged about 800 gallons a year on a programmed thermostat at 67 degrees with lots of blankets in the family room. We were never really warm sitting watching TV. I figured $4000 to heat my house and hot water and not be comfortable. NO WAY. Most of the oil is consumed from Nov to Apr.

2. I've had been buring a fireplace on weekends for 17 years in my home. I love the comfort of a burning fire and now I have that comfort all winter long with the added benefit of some warm heat 24 hours a day! :)
 
The word that will best characterize the next 50 years

ENERGY.

Unless there is a massive, long lasting depression around the world OR there is some calamity (oinky flu) that causes massive human die off . . .

. . . energy is going to keep getting more expensive for the rest of your life.

While not perfectly fungible, oil, coal, and nat gas will all tend to track in price trend over the long haul because, over time, producers will switch to the cheapest source.

2$ gasoline is ridiculously cheap.

Last summers 4 a gallon was not a fluke.

It was simply the first tremor.

The quake is coming.

Too many people, non-renewable resources depleting.

What's left of the oil?

Most of the easy stuff is gone.

Brace.
 
I feel guilty burning oak cuz its probably worth more for hardwood floors than for making heat, and it last a lot longer if your walking on it than if you burn it.
So i burn a lot of waste wood that can no longer serve a useful purpose.
 
trump said:
I feel guilty burning oak cuz its probably worth more for hardwood floors than for making heat, and it last a lot longer if your walking on it than if you burn it.
So i burn a lot of waste wood that can no longer serve a useful purpose.

I know how you feel. Where I worked, we used a lot of wood pallets and it would break my heart to see all the beautiful oak, poplar, and walnut in them.
 
Hi, I've had my stove for a few weeks.

I was interested in carbon neutral energy. However, a large part was also to save money and reduce dependence on oil. I live in Northern Ireland, which although a part of the UK, is much more expensive because everything has to be shpped or flown to our wee island.

I am finding free sources of wood difficult to come by but am determined to make it work. Ireland is famously tree-less! How stupid am I? The dream is to have enough land to plant ash for the future but at the minute we're in suburbia which I think is far less spacious per house than you Americans would be used to.

I would absolutely love photovoltaic panels but they are expensive and Ireland is famously sun-less! Optimistic fool.
 
Is this a multifuel stove? Are there briquettes that can be burned cleanly in it?
 
Slow1 said:
Why did I start burning and why am I still doing it?

The economics were my excuse to get started and justify the decision (when oil hit $4.50/gallon we were looking at $2-3K to heat for the winter even with the temp kept lower than anyone else we know).

The desire to burn has always been there - my wife says that she has never seen me unhappy when tending a fire. Thus she likes to have it for me to play with too.

I have a pretty serious 'self sufficiency' bend in my personality. Although it is easier to just call the oil guy (ok, I do it online, even easier) it is still relying on someone else and the cost is something I have very little control over - even with the best research and such I can't get much more than a 5% variance in price from 'market rate' on oil. Now, wood ranges from free to 'who the heck is crazy enough to pay that?' prices. The joy of the hunt!

The cutting/splitting/etc is something that I had not really considered too much before but I'm finding that I enjoy this as much as anything. Perhaps going back to the self sufficiency? I've heard comments here that wood piles are like money in the bank. Perhaps so... the idea of being a year or more ahead is a worthy goal and I can see achieving that. My job is full of unclear objectives - things that are hard to know when you are really done. I KNOW when I'm done splitting and stacking a particular pile of logs and can see the progress as I go. That is very satisfying and provides a nice balance in life.

When I'm cutting or splitting it is unsafe for anyone to be too close to me and I wear ear protection during cutting. I can get lost in my thoughts and not be disturbed... As a father of 3 younger kids this is a very nice thing and allows me to get some ideas worked out while getting some good exercise. I've noticed greater strength in my upper body and my back is clearly stronger from my regular workouts with the woodpile - less aches and easier to pick up and toss the kids about which they love.

My kids are seeing me work for something and are beginning to help. As they grow I expect they will pick up on more chores related to this - carrying wood in, cleaning up, eventually cutting and splitting. They will help as their ability and maturity allow. I see this as good for building character. Carrying wood in the house is something that can be easily verified and relatively safe. It benefits the whole family and thus is a good task for kids to share in the responsibility.

I've actually gotten to know a few neighbors better that I didn't know before. Some have stopped by while I'm working the pile - I have helped one cut down a small tree. Got a days worth of wood out of it, but better than that I think it helped to break the ice with them as we haven't really talked much since they moved in a year or so ago. I've found other friends through friends who burn - swapping information and such. Working with someone to load a haul etc is a good way to get to know someone and helps to build community.

Oh - and the radiant heat from the stove is nice too :)

Bravo my friend, well said!

I couldn't agree more and many of these are my exact reasons as well, so I'll just leave it at that....I couldn't say it any better.
 
lorskimac said:
It is multi-fuel (actually couldn't afford wood-only), but what would the briquettes be made of?

Check to see what is available. It looks like Ireland has gotten pretty creative with alternative fuels. A quick search on stove briquettes Ireland found compressed logs (Ecoflame is one brand), compressed turf (Bord na Mona), strawlogs (Strogs) and several others.

http://www.morsoireland.com/ecoflame_briquettes.html
http://www.irelandlogue.com/about-ireland/miscellanea/irish-fuel-briquettes.html
http://www.strogs.ie/Product.html
http://www.kedco.com/e/energy/eco-heat-logs--wood-briquettes/
 
BeGreen said:
lorskimac said:
It is multi-fuel (actually couldn't afford wood-only), but what would the briquettes be made of?

Check to see what is available. It looks like Ireland has gotten pretty creative with alternative fuels. A quick search on stove briquettes Ireland found compressed logs (Ecoflame is one brand), compressed turf (Bord na Mona), strawlogs (Strogs) and several others.

http://www.morsoireland.com/ecoflame_briquettes.html
http://www.irelandlogue.com/about-ireland/miscellanea/irish-fuel-briquettes.html
http://www.strogs.ie/Product.html
http://www.kedco.com/e/energy/eco-heat-logs--wood-briquettes/


considering that peat was the main heat source for centuries over there , they should be on the cutting edge.
 
Yep, the compressed turf product is extracted from peat bogs.
 
Slow1 said:
Why did I start burning and why am I still doing it?

The economics were my excuse to get started and justify the decision (when oil hit $4.50/gallon we were looking at $2-3K to heat for the winter even with the temp kept lower than anyone else we know).

The desire to burn has always been there - my wife says that she has never seen me unhappy when tending a fire. Thus she likes to have it for me to play with too.

I have a pretty serious 'self sufficiency' bend in my personality. Although it is easier to just call the oil guy (ok, I do it online, even easier) it is still relying on someone else and the cost is something I have very little control over - even with the best research and such I can't get much more than a 5% variance in price from 'market rate' on oil. Now, wood ranges from free to 'who the heck is crazy enough to pay that?' prices. The joy of the hunt!

The cutting/splitting/etc is something that I had not really considered too much before but I'm finding that I enjoy this as much as anything. Perhaps going back to the self sufficiency? I've heard comments here that wood piles are like money in the bank. Perhaps so... the idea of being a year or more ahead is a worthy goal and I can see achieving that. My job is full of unclear objectives - things that are hard to know when you are really done. I KNOW when I'm done splitting and stacking a particular pile of logs and can see the progress as I go. That is very satisfying and provides a nice balance in life.

When I'm cutting or splitting it is unsafe for anyone to be too close to me and I wear ear protection during cutting. I can get lost in my thoughts and not be disturbed... As a father of 3 younger kids this is a very nice thing and allows me to get some ideas worked out while getting some good exercise. I've noticed greater strength in my upper body and my back is clearly stronger from my regular workouts with the woodpile - less aches and easier to pick up and toss the kids about which they love.

My kids are seeing me work for something and are beginning to help. As they grow I expect they will pick up on more chores related to this - carrying wood in, cleaning up, eventually cutting and splitting. They will help as their ability and maturity allow. I see this as good for building character. Carrying wood in the house is something that can be easily verified and relatively safe. It benefits the whole family and thus is a good task for kids to share in the responsibility.

I've actually gotten to know a few neighbors better that I didn't know before. Some have stopped by while I'm working the pile - I have helped one cut down a small tree. Got a days worth of wood out of it, but better than that I think it helped to break the ice with them as we haven't really talked much since they moved in a year or so ago. I've found other friends through friends who burn - swapping information and such. Working with someone to load a haul etc is a good way to get to know someone and helps to build community.

Oh - and the radiant heat from the stove is nice too :)



OKOKOK
MY name is iceman and i am a wood addict too.... welcome
 
Checked those sites out. Thanks for those.

The straw and sawdust would be the same price per log as the seasoned hardwood I buy and I imagine they wouldn't have the same quality of burn. Wouldn't touch peat - fossil fuel from protected sites, no good for the landscape or the environment.
 
lorskimac said:
Checked those sites out. Thanks for those.

The straw and sawdust would be the same price per log as the seasoned hardwood I buy and I imagine they wouldn't have the same quality of burn. Wouldn't touch peat - fossil fuel from protected sites, no good for the landscape or the environment.

Well, I'm confused with your calling peat 'no good for the landscape or the environment'. Peat is commonly used to add to garden and lawn soils to help retain moisture and lighten the soil. It is grown commercially so it doesn't have to come from protected sites and it's a long, long time away from becoming a fossil fuel.
 
The Brits and Vikings removed the forests from Ireland, so I can see them being a bit concerned about wetland loss next.

To my knowledge, limited as it is on this subject, peat is not grown commercially. It is - farmed - commercially, by draining off bogs, almost exclusively in Canada for our peat moss supplies. As a gardener I started hearing about the issues of peat consumption in the past few years. We've switched to local sources of to improve our soils and haven't missed it.

FWIW, a quick search showed that peat accumulates at a rate of about a millimeter a year. 100 yrs = about 5". It takes millenia to build up a deep peat bog. Although the sites are often not protected, the removal of these wetlands does have a significant environmental impact. There are flora and fauna that are unique to these bogs. When the bog is destroyed, so is the wildlife associated with them. True, there's a lot of peat in Canada, so it's impact may not be felt locally, unless you happen to live downstream from these natural biological sponges/filter systems.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Ask-Our-Experts/Organic-Gardening/Peat-Moss.aspx
 
BeGreen said:
The Brits and Vikings removed the forests from Ireland, so I can see them being a bit concerned about wetland loss next.

To my knowledge, limited as it is on this subject, peat is not grown commercially. It is - farmed - commercially, by draining off bogs, almost exclusively in Canada for our peat moss supplies. As a gardener I started hearing about the issues of peat consumption in the past few years. We've switched to local sources of to improve our soils and haven't missed it.

FWIW, a quick search showed that peat accumulates at a rate of about a millimeter a year. 100 yrs = about 5". It takes millenia to build up a deep peat bog. Although the sites are often not protected, the removal of these wetlands does have a significant environmental impact. There are flora and fauna that are unique to these bogs. When the bog is destroyed, so is the wildlife associated with them. True, there's a lot of peat in Canada, so it's impact may not be felt locally, unless you happen to live downstream from these natural biological sponges/filter systems.

http://www.motherearthnews.com/Ask-Our-Experts/Organic-Gardening/Peat-Moss.aspx

Cool. Thanks for the insight. I can appreciate that.
 
I grew up with "Great Depression" Grandparents...

The stories they instilled in me. My Grandfathers Family almost froze to death and he never wanted to be cold again.

They Had 3 sources of heat in their house, Baseboard-natural gas boiler, forced air-natural gas furnace and the Monster "Master's Choice" Wood/Coal burning stove.

Also My Dad always had a wood burning stove for emergency heat and to help heat the basement in the dead of Michigan Winter.

So needless to say I always like the heat, the smell, and the view of the flames in a wood stove.

The biggest thing was all the wood I ended up getting after the Emerald Ash Bore came through and wiped out almost all the trees in our 3 acre yard. I didn't want to waste the wood in the fireplace so here I am......................

I also blame my addiction on Brother Bart, Cory,Dennis, Mike H., Craig, and a couple others here!!!!!! ;-P
 
It is imperative that the world's peat supply be be preserved for whiskey production. ;-)
 
BrotherBart said:
It is imperative that the world's peat supply be be preserved for whiskey production. ;-)

Bro Bart, please do enlighten? If I can make some whiskey from all the peat 'round here I'll be all over it. I have not heard of this. All I know about the peat here is that it can burn underground for a very long time. People set fire to it to try and dry out parts of their farm land. but let's explore this whiskey thing...

Edit: never mind - I understand the reference now... don't care for the beverage much, but I understand. So much knowledge to be gained here :coolsmile:
 
First exposed to stoves living in Vermont '88-90. We lived in a huge old farm house. If you wanted it warm, you cranked up the stoves.

I enjoyed it and learned a lot. A 5 year relationship was coming to a close. I sorted it out partially with 5 cords of wood that needed
splitting and stacking and a 9 month old golden retriever pup.

In Antarctica, at Palmer Station, we burned construction debris in a stove just off the galley. I spent many happy winter nights feeding it.

Now, living in the gentle Appalachian hills of NC, I burn because it keeps the house warm and it keeps me active. We've also got a 17 year
old chocolate lab that really loves the heat.
 
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