What running temperatures?

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Danno77

Danno77

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Oct 27, 2008
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Hamilton, IL
Summers Heat 50-12FP, Englander 12FP, or whatever else it may be called.

Does anybody know how hot I should be running the stove?

ok, here's the curve ball to that question. I have access to single wall only for about 10 inches before i can't see it anymore. How hot should a magenetic thermometer at that location get before i get worried?

Should I get another thermometer for the stove top? for the sides?

I was running with the thermometer around 500 at about 6" up the stovepipe, is that too high? too low? I'm confused....
 
500F on single wall, represents roughly 1000F internal temp. Being so close to the stove (they are normally located a couple of feet up), it might be understandable to have a little higher temp reading. Personally, that is PLENTY hot. I would back of a few percentage points and call it good. If possible, shoot for around 350F for a surface temp on the pipe as a "target", but be aware that it will increase and decrease with the stages of the burn. That temp is MY OPINION specific to that stove (just for full disclosure ;-P )

With the 12fp your control of the stove is very limited, and pretty much are at the will of the fuel load, and setup of the stove.
 
Thanks Jags. I was operating under the assumption that it would be cooler higher up the stove pipe, so since I had to mount it so low that I'd be able to operate at a temperature that was higher than you'd think given the "red zone" on the thermometer was made with the assumption that it'd be about 18" above the stove. Also it's in a protected area without a lot of airflow, so i figured it could read a little higher and still be safe for that same reason.... I just dunno.

Here's a crappy pic, but it gives you the basic idea of how it's installed.
 

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I run an Englander 13, only a little different than your stove. Englander told me 600f on the stovetop is a good temperature to run at. Call them and ask for yourself, it might be different for your stove.
 
Danno77 said:
I was operating under the assumption that it would be cooler higher up the stove pipe, so since I had to mount it so low that I'd be able to operate at a temperature that was higher than you'd think given the "red zone" on the thermometer was made with the assumption that it'd be about 18" above the stove.
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I was also taking that into consideration when I stated the 350F surface temp. That is = to 700F internal, or about 18" up, probably around the 5-600f mark. Plenty of heat to keep the nasties from forming.
 
When you put one in the fireplace you pretty much have to live the life of an insert owner and go by stove top temperatures. Which for the 12 should be fine at six to six fifty or so.
 
i've noticed that I smoke a lot out the chimney when the thermometer is under 400, at around 500 all I see is heatwaves, that's one bit of evidence that I need to run it around that (or higher).

thanks for the input, y'all
 
Heem said:
I run an Englander 13, only a little different than your stove. Englander told me 600f on the stovetop is a good temperature to run at. Call them and ask for yourself, it might be different for your stove.
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Thats good to know, I have been running right at about 600F and some real good heat pumps out at that point.

My 13 runs anywhere from 250 to 350 on the flue temp, that is 14 or 16 inches up on the single wall pipe. I actually moved it up and down between 12 and 24 and did not see much difference.

I think because your 12 is EPA exempt and its efficiency is a little lower it would have a higher flue temp then the 13 because the heat is being sent up the stack.

I would put it on your stove top instead of the pipe. when I am burning I rarely look at the flue temp, a little on start up, after that I use the stove top to tell me when its time to dial back some air. I plan on getting a probe to accuractly measure the flue temp.
 
I bought one more thermometer and placed it on the stove top. It read the same as the one a few inches up the black pipe, so I switched them to make sure it wasn't thermometer differences. This means that I was running with stove temps around 350-400 at times, which is wayyyy too low IMO. Nice to know that I can have it on the pipe and facing the room and still see stove top temps. I guess that's the one nice thing about this fireplace setup.....

Thanks for the advice y'all.
 
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