Hearth companys dont need more business.

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dakotarnk

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When I was shopping for an efficient fireplace, I wrote Kozy Heat, Bis and Rsf for information, I never recieved any info from Kozy Heat or BIS, I chose to buy the RSF opel. Why do these companys chose to ignore potential customers, not answering email tells the commitment to the customer. Wonder how easy it is to get product support after you spend your money with the company. I just found it interesting. I have contacted RSF after the purchase on some minor questions and they have gotten right back to me,
They seem to be very helpful.
 
That is a good way to find out what product to buy. More importantly is the response you get from your local retailer. They will always be your primary contact on the front lines if you ever have questions or need service. If those guys arent helpful, then the manufacturer will be less so for you
 
Yes I agree, The retailer must be responsive also, I currently have a call into the Kozy Heat dealer trying to find prices on a gasket kit for my old kozy heat fireplace, That was problably ten days ago, Havnt heard a thing back from him. I called him back yesterday and he said he has not heard from the factory yet, WOW is that frustrating, He doesnt seem to concerned if he gets my business or not.
 
dakotarnk said:
Yes I agree, The retailer must be responsive also, I currently have a call into the Kozy Heat dealer trying to find prices on a gasket kit for my old kozy heat fireplace, That was problably ten days ago, Havnt heard a thing back from him. I called him back yesterday and he said he has not heard from the factory yet, WOW is that frustrating, He doesnt seem to concerned if he gets my business or not.

Ugg, now that is terrible
 
I absolutely can't believe the nearly non-existant service from each of the three hearth retailers within a 50 mile radius of my hearth project. I'm looking to put in an epa approved zero clearance unit to the tune of about $6,000. I'm in a fairly rural area, so there are only three hearth retailers within say an hour of where I am and I can't get a single one of them out to look at my existing setup to help me determine A) what I have there to start with (it's a house we just bought) and B) what I should replace it with. I mean come on, you're asking to spend several thousand dollars with your business and you can't even give me an initial consultation to work up an estimate?!? They all keep telling me "bring in your measurements and we can work from that"...sorry, but I come from a small business background and currently own and operate a small real estate brokerage...If I offered my clients that level of service I would expect them to do business with my competitor. Problem is, all their competitors offer the same crummy service...I think it's a conspiracy!
 
I base my purchasing decisions on the product rather than if someone returns an email. Of course it is nice to have a good dealer close to but if not you just have to travel a little bit. Product support is usually through a dealer and not the manufacturer.
 
phishheadmi said:
I absolutely can't believe the nearly non-existant service from each of the three hearth retailers within a 50 mile radius of my hearth project. I'm looking to put in an epa approved zero clearance unit to the tune of about $6,000. I'm in a fairly rural area, so there are only three hearth retailers within say an hour of where I am and I can't get a single one of them out to look at my existing setup to help me determine A) what I have there to start with (it's a house we just bought) and B) what I should replace it with. I mean come on, you're asking to spend several thousand dollars with your business and you can't even give me an initial consultation to work up an estimate?!? They all keep telling me "bring in your measurements and we can work from that"...sorry, but I come from a small business background and currently own and operate a small real estate brokerage...If I offered my clients that level of service I would expect them to do business with my competitor. Problem is, all their competitors offer the same crummy service...I think it's a conspiracy!

Well, in somewhat of a defense for the dealers, I have this to add. I get asked for estimates all day long sometimes. We will do a free in home estimate IF the customer first comes in with their plans or drawings so we can give them a round about price for doing the job. Let them know if it will be a 2k job or a 5K job. If they are still agreeable and they came to the shop to see the products in person, I have no problem sending someone out to check out the job. If I ran to every house of every customer that asked, it wouldnt be cost effective.

Now, if you have been in the showroom and selected the type of unit you want, and they gave you an idea of what the cost would be and still didnt do a site check, that to me would be poor customer service
 
I agree, You should buy a product based on quality and performance, My point is I dont know the quality and performance differences between the companys so my first thing I do is email for more info, If I like what they have to offer I will go to a dealer and look . I Just cant figure out why a company would not go after potential customers with a very cheap and easy email. I refuse to do business with a company that cant even do that. The dealer that kozy heat has in my area wont even return a call to me. I sure seems like they have a different way of doing business, I sell construction equipment and could never get by with that kind of customer service. But my hunch was RSF was very good because they at least put some effort into making the sale, I have been very pleased with RSF, The product is great and the customer service great, The dealer has been awsome. My relationship with this company started with a simple and very cheap Email.
 
I can certainly see your point on not wanting to do personal inspections/estimates on every joe schmo who calls in. My issue though is that my hearth dealers won't visit the site unless they're all but guaranteed they'll get the job. In my opinion, that's just not how it works. Let me paint a little scenario on how my business works and how I think my hearth project is paral.el in terms of service.

In real estate, I consider a Comparative Market Analysis (CMA, which determines the price at which a property should be listed) similar to a hearth dealer working up an estimate. Both need to be done on-site, at the home in question, both require some research, measurements, calculations and ultimately a report to the client. Now, when someone calls my office and says something like "I'd like to get an idea of what my house is worth...I'm not necessarily looking to sell right away, I just want to know how much it's worth and if it's enough maybe I'll list it". Then I'll maybe spend a few minutes on the phone, get a feel for what they have and shoot them a ballpark price range, obviously to be accurate at all I'll have to inspect the house first. This, to me, is like someone calling a hearth dealer and saying something like "I'd like to get a price on a fireplace, if it's cheap enough maybe I'll think about putting one in." I would expect them to spend a few minutes on the phone, explain an option or two and shoot a ballpark price out...simple.

Now, if someone calls my office and says something like "I've decided to sell my house, I have two other Realtors coming out to give me a CMA and I'd like you to do the same". Rest assured my friend, I'm on my way to that house. That's pretty much where I am with these hearth dealers, I've been to each of the showrooms (where they don't have the units I'm considering on display) multiple times, explained that I AM going to install a new fireplace within the next month, I have it narrowed down to maybe 3 fireplaces I'm considering and I'd like to get a firm price nailed down and make sure the unit I like will install correctly in my space.

Now, with the parallels I've drawn, that would be like me saying "OK, here's a rough price to list your house at, but it could vary one way or the other based on the condition of the house, what's included in the sale, etc. Here, sign this listing agreement and once I'm sure you're doing business with me, I'll come out, inspect the house and let you know exactly what your pricing will be." Maybe it's just me, but that's not the way I roll...I feel that (especially in this kind of economy) I, as a businessperson have to EARN my clients' business...these hearth jokers are just the opposite, they know there's no real alternative so they're a little independent for my likes.
 
Your on the right track with how you handle your business and how a hearth retailer should handle theirs. I agree completely
 
Called my Kozy heat Dealer this morning, to see if he had any prices on the door And glass gasket kit that I asked for nearly 2 weeks ago, He didnt return my call because he hasnt heard back from the factory yet, so far I have called three times on this issue with no answer yet. If it takes 2 weeks to find a part number and get a price they must not know there product very good. Really poor service, Glad my new fireplace is an RSF.
 
What it really comes down to is the resources the company has to answer your questions. As a small business owner, and I assume the hearth manufacturers aren't meg-corps with millions to throw around, I could spend all of my time answering questions from potential customers and none on actually running the business. Please keep in mind that the hearth co. you're trying to get an answer from may only have 1 person or less to answer direct questions. I find it easier to answer requests where the requestor has made it easy to answer, a direct succinct question, with pictures, can be a real help. If I get a 750 word text-only email that starts out discussing the weather in Grand Cayman probably isn't going to get read past the first paragraph.

Balance that with some other factors:
1. There are some companies that couldn't care less about customer service. They should be avoided, they deserve to lose business.
2. This is probably the Hearth Co.s' busy season, everybody at the co. may be so busy they can't respond to emails.
3. If it's really important try calling directly. If they allow you to get to a real human being in the first place that's an indication they are more customer focused than many other businesses. If the real human being really tries to help that's another plus. If the real human being really DOES help, that's even better.

I'm sorry you're having trouble, I do know how frustrating it is for you to be ignored. Hope you get a better resolution.
 
Also what has happened to alot of these companies is they have had to downsize their customer service due to lack of sales... with that being said alot of companies do not have the man power to double back up for the "season" with the correct amount of knowledge. I know my staff is probably working 50% harder then last year just for the fact that their is less of them.

ETD said:
What it really comes down to is the resources the company has to answer your questions. As a small business owner, and I assume the hearth manufacturers aren't meg-corps with millions to throw around, I could spend all of my time answering questions from potential customers and none on actually running the business. Please keep in mind that the hearth co. you're trying to get an answer from may only have 1 person or less to answer direct questions. I find it easier to answer requests where the requestor has made it easy to answer, a direct succinct question, with pictures, can be a real help. If I get a 750 word text-only email that starts out discussing the weather in Grand Cayman probably isn't going to get read past the first paragraph.

Balance that with some other factors:
1. There are some companies that couldn't care less about customer service. They should be avoided, they deserve to lose business.
2. This is probably the Hearth Co.s' busy season, everybody at the co. may be so busy they can't respond to emails.
3. If it's really important try calling directly. If they allow you to get to a real human being in the first place that's an indication they are more customer focused than many other businesses. If the real human being really tries to help that's another plus. If the real human being really DOES help, that's even better.

I'm sorry you're having trouble, I do know how frustrating it is for you to be ignored. Hope you get a better resolution.
 
Sounds like you are in a tough position....agree that your dealers are not very customer orientated.
Just a thought....maybe a dumb one....is there wany way you could take a mpg file/video of your setup and send to the dealer along with the measurements? (Again, prob not a solution)
Other alternative is to find a reputable chimney install/sweep and perhaps go with a quasi self install.
Good luck
 
ilikewood said:
Sounds like you are in a tough position....agree that your dealers are not very customer orientated.
Just a thought....maybe a dumb one....is there wany way you could take a mpg file/video of your setup and send to the dealer along with the measurements? (Again, prob not a solution)
Other alternative is to find a reputable chimney install/sweep and perhaps go with a quasi self install.
Good luck

I guess I could photos and/or videos and try to explain to someone in the hearth shop, but the bottom line is that I shouldn't have to go to those lengths just to be able to do business with these people, and I'm not going to. My house is exactly 5.6 miles from the hearth shop I'm trying to use, in literally under an hour they cold have this whole thing wrapped up. I'm basically going to wind up doing what you suggested w/ the quasi self install. Thanks to a suggestion on these boards, I found a really good deal on the unit I like from a company in Iowa (with free freight and much less expensive than here) and know a guy who was an installer out west for years. I'll have the unit shipped and pay the guy I know to help me install it. This will actually wind up saving me a considerable amount, but I would have prefered to buy it locally, support the local economy and be able to call on the person who sold/installed the unit if anything comes up down the road. Oh well...hey, maybe it's time to open a hearth shop around here...
 
I agree it'd be a good idea to stop by and check your place, I'd probabyl do it on the way home from work if nothing else... But just to offer another perpective, you're trying to ask a stove shop to drop existing workload and go check your site during their busiest time. I bet if you asked this in spring, you'd get a lot better service. If they're short-staffed, they may be thinking it's more important to service their existing customers that did buy in spring/summer and maintain that relationship than to get new ones. Sometimes the new sale isn't as important as supporting existing customers; which is frustrating - until you're the existing customer and get the good treatment.
 
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