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When and where was the suit filed Dave? I would like to follow it.
 
BrotherBart said:
When and where was the suit filed Dave? I would like to follow it.
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Saw this while visiting youtube but didn't have time to dig further into it.

B_i_l & I are trying to get several years ahead in our wood supply.

And we are cutting for 3 households, his daughter included.

We got permission from a guy that recently had a large tract harvested.

He is going to burn the tree tops up in about 2 weeks, weather permiting.

If you cut you know from experience that such is intensive & back breaking.

So when we get home it is supper, a little tv, & sack time.

We intend to go at it until he puts a match to the tract.

Then I'll go looking for that suit.

Meantime, enjoy. :lol:

Owgore Slammed By Congress!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNzBRiAyn8o&feature=related
 
Oh how a human likes to revel over the misfortunes or troubles in someone else's house when the human's own house is in great need of repair. Why do we find satisfaction in the troubles of another? Greed and more greed is no fun; greed and more greed hurts someone. Let's get our own house in faultless order before criticizing the house of another.
 
jebatty said:
Oh how a human likes to revel over the misfortunes or troubles in someone else's house when the human's own house is in great need of repair. Why do we find satisfaction in the troubles of another? Greed and more greed is no fun; greed and more greed hurts someone. Let's get our own house in faultless order before criticizing the house of another.
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Amen Brother Jim, Amen!!
Ed
 
The number of scientists working for Exxon_Mobil alone far exceeds the number quoted in the "suit" . Nevermind the rest of the oil, coal, and chemical companies. B.S. like this makes me sick. If you are so busy that you can't even supply evidence of your own acusations, surely you have better things to do.
 
There is ample evidence that global warming is a farce. Simply get a record of of global temperature records for the last 100-50 years and compare. Ice corings from the arctic and antarctic divulge periods in global history where the CO2 content of the atmosphere far exceed anything listed since the dawn of the industrial age and the end of the world did not occur. That alone should tell us that the so called dangers of global warming are at least a misinterpretation if based on CO2 content. The fact that sulphur-dioxed and dust particle emmissions released in to the atmosphere due to seismic occurrence emmisions and its influence on weather patterns was missing and known results of sun spot activity influencing weather patterns was not included in the anaysis screams of a narrow approach to acheive the conclusion being supported by "Global Warming" theorists. That 30,000 would sue is ample indication that the claims of both parties needs to be scrutinized before any legislation is implemented. Such legislation needs to be scrutinized to see what effect it will have on global conditions as well. The green house condition so feared by many of the GW's was at one time, via the claims of evolution, the very hot bed where man evolved. What are they afraid of? The second evolution of man? If so hopefully he/it will be smarter. (Or is that it?)
 
Cave2k said:
There is ample evidence that global warming is a farce. Simply get a record of of global temperature records for the last 100-50 years and compare. Ice corings from the arctic and antarctic divulge periods in global history where the CO2 content of the atmosphere far exceed anything listed since the dawn of the industrial age and the end of the world did not occur. That alone should tell us that the so called dangers of global warming are at least a misinterpretation if based on CO2 content. The fact that sulphur-dioxed and dust particle emmissions released in to the atmosphere due to seismic occurrence emmisions and its influence on weather patterns was missing and known results of sun spot activity influencing weather patterns was not included in the anaysis screams of a narrow approach to acheive the conclusion being supported by "Global Warming" theorists. That 30,000 would sue is ample indication that the claims of both parties needs to be scrutinized before any legislation is implemented. Such legislation needs to be scrutinized to see what effect it will have on global conditions as well. The green house condition so feared by many of the GW's was at one time, via the claims of evolution, the very hot bed where man evolved. What are they afraid of? The second evolution of man? If so hopefully he/it will be smarter. (Or is that it?)
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Not True! We are suffering levels of CO2 in the atmosphere that have never been reached before. The argument is over. The corperate naysayers have admitted they were wrong, you didn't get the memo.
 
jebatty said:
Oh how a human likes to revel over the misfortunes or troubles in someone else's house when the human's own house is in great need of repair. Why do we find satisfaction in the troubles of another? Greed and more greed is no fun; greed and more greed hurts someone. Let's get our own house in faultless order before criticizing the house of another.
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I'm sure this was addressed to Mr. Gore, who has made a great career out of telling us all the things we are doing wrong; while most of us have been primarily focused on minding our own business, but deriving a certain amount of pleasure when a hypocrite gets called on it...

Gooserider
 
I'm still shaking my head from the ice age worry that many the scientists in the 70's warned me about.

What ever happened with the ozone hole?

The fact is we don't know fully the impact of CO2 on climate - and if any potential effects are good or bad or inconsequential. The only thing that I am sure of is my distrust of the motives of folks that are positioned to enrich themselves because of a crisis.

A number of years ago I had the opportunity to talk with a researcher who spent many years studying the south pole. He described a valley in Antarctica that he explored that had no snow, but many petrified trees. Perhaps we have been warm before.
 
Wunder how much CO2 was uncontrollabeLEE emitted into the atmussfeer by hundreds or mayB thousands of VoLCANE O's and or hundreds of thousnds or millions of meat/plant/algae slurping DINO's which farted much,,, to the Dlight of unenetertained cavemen/women!!!!!!!!! I bet Saturday nites on the back deck by the "grill" overlooking the valley/lake were interesting!!!
 
Well, we're not going to know with 100% certainty for many years into the future if the climate change proponents are right or wrong. If they are right and we did nothing, then we are likely in some deep trouble.

There is a lot of emotion around this issue, and most people have already made up their minds, so I won't try to change any opinions. But I'll tell you what my opinion is and why I think that way. You can take that for what it is worth.

I think of this issue like a fire insurance policy for my house. I'm sure that I could find some people who will tell me that they don't have fire insurance for their house, and that I don't need it either. Or I could find some "experts" who can tell me that fire insurance for my house doesn't make very good economic sense since the chance of a fire in any given year is so small. I bet if I searched long enough on the web I could find people talking about how fire insurance is just a conspiracy for big insurance companies to profit from us little guys, and maybe even find some white papers or articles asserting this.

And yet, I choose to buy fire insurance for my house. $500 a year for $100,000 of insurance to ensure that if a fire were to occur, I wouldn't be financially ruined and would be able to rebuild my house. Most people have seen enough evidence of house fires and know of someone who had a house fire to know that it can happen and that it is best to prepare for it.

The amounts being discussed to mitigate carbon dioxide buildup in the atmosphere can be thought of as "insurance". Sure, it's a waste of money if the climate change proponents are wrong. But if they are right, the ramifications are pretty unimaginable.
 
DBoon said:
Well, we're not going to know with 100% certainty for many years into the future if the climate change proponents are right or wrong. If they are right and we did nothing, then we are likely in some deep trouble.

There is a lot of emotion around this issue, and most people have already made up their minds, so I won't try to change any opinions. But I'll tell you what my opinion is and why I think that way. You can take that for what it is worth.

I think of this issue like a fire insurance policy for my house. I'm sure that I could find some people who will tell me that they don't have fire insurance for their house, and that I don't need it either. Or I could find some "experts" who can tell me that fire insurance for my house doesn't make very good economic sense since the chance of a fire in any given year is so small. I bet if I searched long enough on the web I could find people talking about how fire insurance is just a conspiracy for big insurance companies to profit from us little guys, and maybe even find some white papers or articles asserting this.

And yet, I choose to buy fire insurance for my house. $500 a year for $100,000 of insurance to ensure that if a fire were to occur, I wouldn't be financially ruined and would be able to rebuild my house. Most people have seen enough evidence of house fires and know of someone who had a house fire to know that it can happen and that it is best to prepare for it.

The amounts being discussed to mitigate carbon dioxide buildup in the atmosphere can be thought of as "insurance". Sure, it's a waste of money if the climate change proponents are wrong. But if they are right, the ramifications are pretty unimaginable.
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The problem is that the "insurance payments" as proposed by the global warming folks are more on the order of $50-100 thousand (or more) for the same $100K worth of coverage - in other words, the premium is greater than the loss it's "protecting" us against... The economic damage done by the various "Cap & trade" and other such programs is likely to be as bad if not worse than the highly unlikely "worst case" warming scenario. In addition, this economic damage will make the problem worse by diverting money away from research into technological solutions, or even just upgrading the technology of emerging nations - despite the fact that EVERY technology we have ever invented has gotten cleaner over time...

Gooserider
 
 
Dune said:
The number of scientists working for Exxon_Mobil alone far exceeds the number quoted in the "suit" . Nevermind the rest of the oil, coal, and chemical companies. B.S. like this makes me sick. If you are so busy that you can't even supply evidence of your own acusations, surely you have better things to do.
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What he said.
Get over it. Lets start working on the solution.
Solar Wind Tidal Nuclear Wood Stoves


http://www.magarchive.umaine.edu/issues/v8i4/brink.html

This article details a researcher who has spent his career in the arctic studying ice samples and climate change, but I guess someone with an internet connection knows more than he does.

A perfect analogy of Big Oil's response was Big Tobacco response to the link between lung cancer and
"Smoking is good for you, you relax when you smoke." "Lung cancer does not necessarily come from smoking"
How many times did I used to hear that "My aunt Sally smoked 3 packs per day and is alive at 85???"

Bottom line: Data wins.
 
Data can be easily twisted to suit ones needs. I think the global warming scare is a big farce. A lot of money can be on either side of the fence. Do i know more than the experts? I dunno. but i do seem to recall the Titanic was built by experts, how'd that turn out?
 
Statistics can be manipulated. Agreed.
You are free to believe or not believe anything you like.

Did you read the thread?

You should if you have not had a chance. It is pretty good.
It is about a University of Maine professor who has spent decades taking ice core samples proving that we have never seen
such a high and rapid increase in CO2 and Temperature. This rise in CO2 and temperature just happened to correspond to the industrial revolution in England and later America and the world.


Re the 'farce' do you have evidence that there is some collusion between geologists botanists biologists and a benefactor?
I imagine a secret tape of them in Switzerland getting paid off by ........? the Solar Industry/? "Big Wind"??
and being exhorted to keep churning out propaganda ??


Here is the thread again if you like
http://www.magarchive.umaine.edu/issues/v8i4/brink.html
 
Over the past 400,00 years the earth has experienced warming levels equal to today's about every 10,000 years. Separated by periods of increased glaciation. Further back, from 400,000 to nearly 800.000 years ago the periods of warming were longer in duration but not as warm as today. The bottom line is there is a lot of "stuff" that effects warming or climate change or whatever we call it now.

However, if my company was posed to earn billions of dollars from the "fight" against climate change, I'd be happier than a pig in slop right now.
 
As one example of interesting timing about a "discovery" - the infamous "Ozone Hole" over the Antarctic...

First discovered during the 1957 International Geophysical Year - essentially the first time anybody looked with instruments with the ability to find it... Theory developed to explain it, that covered known data, hole not found to be a big problem, weather patterns don't permit one to develop in the Arctic, pretty much end of story for anyone not specializing in that field...

NASA rediscovers - publicizes as "CRISIS!!!! Much more money needed for research!!!" - just before Congressional hearings over NASA (Needs Another Seven Astronauts) incompetence, and expected budget cuts....

:coolhmm:

Secret conspiracy evidence is lacking, but there is certainly a very large degree of correlation between the "science" and the politics of those that are paying for it... Remember, the Pol's can't make any money, get any [del]bribes[/del] campaign contributions, or do much speechifying on stuff that is not a "crisis" or a "problem" that requires them to "DO SOMETHING" about it...

(Remember, Congress has been "doing something" about health care since 1914 (if not earlier) - and people wonder why there is a health care crisis???)

Gooserider
 
I'm still saving my Y2K supplies, now that swine flu is gonna wipe us all out I think I might need them after all, then when the starving hordes from the population bomb start roaming the countryside I won't have to worry as the next ice age will wipe them out before I run out of ammo! come on 2012!
beam me up scotty, there's no intelligent life running anything down here!
 
I think this thread is in the wrong section of the forum. Try throwing it in the ash can with some of the other garbage. It is not even conversation.
 
Dave_1 said:
Owl Gore's 'Inconvenient Truth'? -- $30,000 utility bill

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=...&id=5072659

What a hypocrite!
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the funniest thing is that back during the election that gore "won" discovery channel or another did a show on bush's house in Texas, he had geothermal, solar, and wind running his ranch house and used very little carbon generating power. as far as I know this was the only mention of who was the real "green" candidate as far as putting his money into it.
 
The big push for climate change legislation is coming from Europe. Why? Because the end of the polar ice caps means the end of the Gulf Stream which means the end of European Summers. They will be stuck in an ice age for centuries. What's going to happen to us? A little dust bowl, some extra hurricanes, and just a few cities will be slightly under water. Southern NH is going to be just fine.

China doesn't care.
India doesn't care.
Africa doesn't care.
South America doesn't care.
Australia doesn't care.
I don't care.

As near as I can figure the beach will be about 20' closer to my house.
 
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