Hearth clearance crisis

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zachhandler

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Nov 23, 2009
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Minnesota
I'm a newbie to this forum. - Thanks for any advice. here's the deal: I have a beautiful old hearth with ancient single wall 5 cubic foot woodburning insert. no blower. If I pack the thing with dry wood and make it rage it puts out good radiant heat, but otherwise it doesnt seem to convert firewood into heat very well. rigging up my own blower fan didn't make much difference.

So I'm all jazzed to get an efficient insert, when I realize that the only insert compatible with the 44x36" trim and 52" mantle on my hearth is a small flush mounted one like the Lopi Anwer . Basicaly I have to rip apart and discard my hearth, or stick with a small insert. I'm worried that that won't put out enoguh heat. I have a 100 yr old 1800ft 2 story house in minnesota. It seems like the inserts don't give much radiant heat at all, and I'm not that eager to have a blower running all the time to get convective heat.

Are my fears unrasonable? can a small flush mounted insert actually heat most of an old house in MN? And is it true what some of the dealers have told me that the blower is not really neccessary for heating?

Any advice appreciated!
 

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With a insert you do need the blower going to get the heat out.
What about a free standing tucked in side fireplace.
 
It makes sense to me that the blower's pretty essential. I thought about the wood stove backed into the hearth. but I think it still runs into issues with the clearance up to the wooden breastplate and mantel... Still wondering if I just have to rip off that beautiful mantle and tile it with something non-combustible...
 
Welcome..the heat from an insert will be way noticeably hotter than what you have right now. Folks here with inserts swear that blowers put out more heat and I know MN is colder than here. People on this forum have ripped out and demolished some incredibly lovely fireplaces to heat with a wood stove...it all depends at what you're looking for in wood heat.
 
With an old house in MN, I think you will want some real heat unless this is a small, closed off room.

Consider extending the hearth with a new border made out of some exceptional tiles that either compliment or contrast the old hearth. Done tastefully it will look intentional and should compliment the installation.

When looking at new inserts, read the hearth requirements for the new stove. Some require much more heat protection (R-value) than others. And yes, you will want a blower.

In order to avoid mantel shielding, I am wondering if a Lopi Declaration would work. What is the size of the area being heated?
 
where you at in minnesota, i used to live in a 100 year old farm house in detroit lakes 2 years ago...
 
I'm dealing with what I guess is a similar issue. There are inserts that have pretty small clearances or where the clearances can be considerably reduced with shields. The dealer I talked to said they have sometimes (on freestandings or inserts) ended up doing sort of a picture-frame of shields around the side as well as top trims. THere are a couple people on here who have setups like that, and they don't look bad. You need the sheet metal shields angled to cover whatever is within your clearance violation, and they are mounted with screws with a ceramic spacer so you have wood trim with an air gap and then a protecting shield.

Or If you have room in the room, maybe you could come in a bit rather than stay right on the current hearth, and just vent it up the chimney?
 
My house is 1800sf, but the open part that I'd like to get heat to is probably half that. Still, its cold here and it's an old house. I'm in north mineapolis by the way.

Tickbitty - thats a good suggestion with the sheet metal shields placed close to the trim - I'll have to look at it and see how big it would need to be - just might work...

The Declaration - I looked at that one - I was scared off by the fact that being totally flush it would be very dependent on the blower. But from what you guys say I'm going to be dependent on a blower anyway. At least that one can be wired through the firebox.
 
BeGreen said:
With an old house in MN, I think you will want some real heat unless this is a small, closed off room.

Consider extending the hearth with a new border made out of some exceptional tiles that either compliment or contrast the old hearth. Done tastefully it will look intentional and should compliment the installation.

When looking at new inserts, read the hearth requirements for the new stove. Some require much more heat protection (R-value) than others. And yes, you will want a blower.

In order to avoid mantel shielding, I am wondering if a Lopi Declaration would work. What is the size of the area being heated?

Just looked at the declaration - The clearances are actually not bad - but I only have 18.5" fireplace depth. Rats!
 
What are the full dimensions (HWD), top and bottom of the fireplace? A Quadrafire 2700i looks like it might work. Visually, the Jotul C450 looks made for this space.
 
BeGreen said:
What are the full dimensions (HWD), top and bottom of the fireplace? A Quadrafire 2700i looks like it might work. Visually, the Jotul C450 looks made for this space.
Unfortunately, the C450 has some difficult specs for hearth R/K values - R value of 2.92 / K value of .343, and has some mantle issues when installed exposed to the room. I ended up tearing my entire mantel and surround out and replacing it with concrete to get the C450 in.
 
Aye, that's the rub. Visually it fits with the period of the house. Also perhaps a Hampton HI300, but even then there will need to be some hearth insulation (R .6).

It would help to check under the existing hearth to see if the chimney base extends under the current hearth.
 
Are you absolutely committed to the idea of having another insert . . . if not, perhaps following budman's suggestion of extending the hearth and getting a free-standing woodstove tucked into part of the fireplace might work for you.
 
Yeah I second that one. I'd do a nice cast iron free standing stove. A classic styled black stove (or pick a schnazzy enamel color) would match your decor.
 
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