liners @#$^%%$#

EKLawton · Nov 25, 2009

there are so many types of liners I don't know what to get. ridged- flex, 304L- 316L- 316ti, my chimney is straight so I lean towards ridged 304L "$735.00" on ebay. It is so confusing everyone has the best product out their when you talk to them :roll: Some good sugestions would be appreciated while I still have hair :grrr:
thanks for the help

theheatelement · Nov 25, 2009

I look at gauges, you will find that some say 24 gauge but mic to .018... Also don't just look at the liner but the quality of service..

EKLawton said:
there are so many types of liners I don't know what to get. ridged- flex, 304L- 316L- 316ti, my chimney is straight so I lean towards ridged 304L "$735.00" on ebay. It is so confusing everyone has the best product out their when you talk to them :roll: Some good sugestions would be appreciated while I still have hair :grrr:
thanks for the help

EKLawton · Nov 25, 2009

TheHeatElement said:
I look at gauges, you will find that some say 24 gauge but mic to .018... Also don't just look at the liner but the quality of service..

EKLawton said:

there are so many types of liners I don't know what to get. ridged- flex, 304L- 316L- 316ti, my chimney is straight so I lean towards ridged 304L "$735.00" on ebay. It is so confusing everyone has the best product out their when you talk to them :roll: Some good sugestions would be appreciated while I still have hair :grrr:
thanks for the help

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I want to do it my self since I'm laid off to save money as for quality that's what the hard part of my problem is. thanks for the reply

learnin to burn · Nov 25, 2009

EKLawton said:
there are so many types of liners I don't know what to get. ridged- flex, 304L- 316L- 316ti, my chimney is straight so I lean towards ridged 304L "$735.00" on ebay. It is so confusing everyone has the best product out their when you talk to them :roll: Some good sugestions would be appreciated while I still have hair :grrr:
thanks for the help

You can do ridged but like you said it $700 plus. It's benefits are a smooth wall and it is supposed to draft better due to less friction but my understanding is the average user couldn't tell the difference between ridged and flex.

I have a real strait chimney too and called Chimney liner Depot They said just use the flex and in my case use the pour in insulation. Calling them ended up saving me $300 over the web pricing. FYI - they are in NE PA.

Another option is to PM Magnaflex and ask what he would suggest. He's helped a few people out here with some really good pricing.

Dirtgrain · Nov 26, 2009

I'm close to ordering liner, too. I'm looking at Simpson Dura-Vent Duraliner or Simpson Dura-Vent Duratech. They are both rigid liners, but I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out the differences between them (as if the names weren't confusing enough). Simpson's website sucks.

I found that Duratech is HT . It has an inner wall of .020" 430 stainless steel, and a choice of either a 0.016" 430 SS outer shell or a 0.021" galvalume outer shell (galvalume? Really? What is this, Dr. Seuss?).

I found Duraliner (under the "relining" link on the Dura-Vent homepage: http://www.duravent.com/?page=4.php#), but it has no link for features, no explanation of what materials it is made of. It does say that Duraliner meets UL 1777 standards, as well as ULC S635 and S640 (Canadian standards), and it says it is the premium high-temperature relining system.

Duraliner is cheaper than Duratech, but I'm not sure why. I searched this forum, and I found some posts saying Duraliner has an aluminum outer shell.

As for Simpson, there were mixed reviews on their customer service, but all threads I read spoke to the quality of their product (excepting some ceiling connector thing--but I'm buying for an insert, so I didn't look closely at it).

I found the best prices at Dynamitebuys.com, although they note that delivery might be delayed in this busy season.

theheatelement · Nov 26, 2009

Thats where the service comes in to play... Last year Zflex had a shortage of metal and we got all of their business... its just one of those business that you have to be able to react quick to. You can find online rigid pipe in 4 ft sections for 6x.xx which isn't to terribly bad.

EKLawton · Nov 26, 2009

Dirtgrain said:
I found that Duratech is HT . It has an inner wall of .020" 430 stainless steel, and a choice of either a 0.016" 430 SS outer shell or a 0.021" galvalume outer shell (galvalume? Really? What is this, Dr. Seuss.)

from what I've read these pipes only have a short warranty, galvalume, I think would corrode fast being two types of metals mixed in an extreme environment..

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

EKLawton said:
Dirtgrain said:

I found that Duratech is HT . It has an inner wall of .020" 430 stainless steel, and a choice of either a 0.016" 430 SS outer shell or a 0.021" galvalume outer shell (galvalume? Really? What is this, Dr. Seuss.)

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from what I've read these pipes only have a short warranty, galvalume, I think would corrode fast being two types of metals mixed in an extreme environment..

Better do a lil more research. The warranty ain't short, the pipe will outlast you if taken care of, and is one of the best choices for a liner.
This rigid not only drafts better, due to being smooth & insulated , but cleans a hellofva lot easier also.

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

Dirtgrain said:
I'm close to ordering liner, too. I'm looking at Simpson Dura-Vent Duraliner or Simpson Dura-Vent Duratech. They are both rigid liners, but I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out the differences between them (as if the names weren't confusing enough). Simpson's website sucks.

I found that Duratech is HT . It has an inner wall of .020" 430 stainless steel, and a choice of either a 0.016" 430 SS outer shell or a 0.021" galvalume outer shell (galvalume? Really? What is this, Dr. Seuss?).

I found Duraliner (under the "relining" link on the Dura-Vent homepage: http://www.duravent.com/?page=4.php#), but it has no link for features, no explanation of what materials it is made of. It does say that Duraliner meets UL 1777 standards, as well as ULC S635 and S640 (Canadian standards), and it says it is the premium high-temperature relining system.

Duraliner is cheaper than Duratech, but I'm not sure why. I searched this forum, and I found some posts saying Duraliner has an aluminum outer shell.

As for Simpson, there were mixed reviews on their customer service, but all threads I read spoke to the quality of their product (excepting some ceiling connector thing--but I'm buying for an insert, so I didn't look closely at it).

I found the best prices at Dynamitebuys.com, although they note that delivery might be delayed in this busy season.

DuraTech is Class A double wall insulated rigid used for free standing stoves....................... http://www.duravent.com/?page=1.php
DuraLiner is double all insulated rigid for relining an existing chimney............ http://www.duravent.com/?page=4.php
Plainly stated on the Simpson website. Maybe the site does not suck, but the lack of patience in reading the site sucks.

EKLawton · Nov 26, 2009

hogwildz,

I read that, I can't remember were but I read that the galvalume pipe has a 25 year warranty? I can't find info on size for my chim. 8x8 actual 7.5x7.5 .do you know of a place close that's cheap I'm in millville.

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

EKLawton said:
hogwildz,

I read that, I can't remember were but I read that the galvalume pipe has a 25 year warranty? I can't find info on size for my chim. 8x8 actual 7.5x7.5 .do you know of a place close that's cheap I'm in millville.

We be neighbors

I'm bewteen Berwick & Shickshinny.
25 years might be correct. But it will last much longer than that. The galvalume is the outer shell, the inner is stainless.
No stove shop is going to be cheap. I got mine from ventingpipe.com. was the cheapest at the time. There are a few others. Chimneylinerdepot is out of the Scranton area I think.
I honestly forget what the outside dimensions of 6" are, but am thinking it might not fit down that 7.5. You might have to drop down to a 5.5 and use a 5/5 to 6" adapter at the bottom.
Check those sites and see what they offer. Try and see what the outside dimensions on 6" are. Is the existing chimney fairly striaght? The clay liners faily well lined up to each other.
You could go flex if need be, and for a more economical way out.

Warranty is limited lifetime. full purchase replacement for 15 years at time of purchase, 50% replacement cost after that.
Kinda crappy and calling it lifetime, but guess thats the "limited" part.

EKLawton · Nov 26, 2009

[quote author="Hogwildz" date="1259219645
We be neighbors

I'm bewteen Berwick & Shickshinny.
25 years might be correct. But it will last much longer than that. The galvalume is the outer shell, the inner is stainless.
No stove shop is going to be cheap. I got mine from ventingpipe.com. was the cheapest at the time. There are a few others. Chimneylinerdepot is out of the Scranton area I think.
I honestly forget what the outside dimensions of 6" are, but am thinking it might not fit down that 7.5. You might have to drop down to a 5.5 and use a 5/5 to 6" adapter at the bottom.
Check those sites and see what they offer. Try and see what the outside dimensions on 6" are. Is the existing chimney fairly striaght? The clay liners faily well lined up to each other.
You could go flex if need be, and for a more economical way out.

Warranty is limited lifetime. full purchase replacement for 15 years at time of purchase, 50% replacement cost after that.
Kinda crappy and calling it lifetime, but guess thats the "limited" part.[/quote]

My chimney is nice and straight but I got moisture trouble, I think it would rot like a toyota :gulp:

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

According to their product catolog.
6" rigid Duraliner has 6-1/2" inside diameter and 6-5/8" outside diameter
5" has 5" inside diameter, 5-5/8" outer diameter.
Apparently the new 5" stuff has both predrilled holes and twist lock joints.

theheatelement · Nov 26, 2009

You will probably need an insulated liner..

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

EKLawton said:
[quote author="Hogwildz" date="1259219645
We be neighbors
I'm bewteen Berwick & Shickshinny.
25 years might be correct. But it will last much longer than that. The galvalume is the outer shell, the inner is stainless.
No stove shop is going to be cheap. I got mine from ventingpipe.com. was the cheapest at the time. There are a few others. Chimneylinerdepot is out of the Scranton area I think.
I honestly forget what the outside dimensions of 6" are, but am thinking it might not fit down that 7.5. You might have to drop down to a 5.5 and use a 5/5 to 6" adapter at the bottom.
Check those sites and see what they offer. Try and see what the outside dimensions on 6" are. Is the existing chimney fairly striaght? The clay liners faily well lined up to each other.
You could go flex if need be, and for a more economical way out.

Warranty is limited lifetime. full purchase replacement for 15 years at time of purchase, 50% replacement cost after that.
Kinda crappy and calling it lifetime, but guess thats the "limited" part.

My chimney is nice and straight but I got moisture trouble, I think it would rot like a toyota :gulp:[/quote]

Their rigid is preinsulated between the inner & outer shells, and is rated at 0 clearnace to masonry.
The part of the galvalume on mine that is above the top of the old chimney is going on 4th season and not a spec of rot or anything else. It does have a lil carbon on it, but thats nothing at this time.
The flex you would have to wrap with an insulation, and not sure that will do any better in a moist environment. You may get away with the 6" but 5" may be an easier install.

EKLawton · Nov 26, 2009

at "chimney liner pro", I can get 25' rigid 304L liner for $568.00 - then i can use a pour in insulation.

Dirtgrain · Nov 26, 2009

Thanks for the information. I had read a post on this site where somebody said you shouldn't use Class A inside a masonry chimney. But then I read elsewhere that Class A is just another term for HT. Simpson labels both Duraliner and Duratech as high temperature rated. That confused me due to my lack of prior knowledge. Still, while I could find specs for Duratech under their features link, I couldn't find specs on Duraliner. I really don't like the layout of their site, although I found the install PDF well written.

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

Dirtgrain said:
Thanks for the information. I had read a post on this site where somebody said you shouldn't use Class A inside a masonry chimney. But then I read elsewhere that Class A is just another term for HT. Simpson labels both Duraliner and Duratech as high temperature rated. That confused me due to my lack of prior knowledge. Still, while I could find specs for Duratech under their features link, I couldn't find specs on Duraliner. I really don't like the layout of their site, although I found the install PDF well written.

Agrees, they did change the site some since my install in 06. It is a bit of a PITA.

Hogwildz · Nov 26, 2009

EKLawton said:
at "chimney liner pro", I can get 25' rigid 304L liner for $568.00 - then i can use a pour in insulation.

Chmineylinerdepot also has a insulation wrapped single wall rigid.
Make sure you ahve enough clearance in that 7.5 with the insulation on the rigid.
If ya need help, I can prolly mosey up and give you a hand. Lemme know.

jbrown56 · Nov 26, 2009

EK,

I have a clay lined, masonry, interior chimney. With my old stove, I had moisture problems with enough water running down the sides to run out the clean out door. Three seasons ago, I changed stoves and installed 20' of 24 ga., single wall ss liner. I didn't insulate and have very little creosote over the season. The clay flue is 8" x 12" o.d. and it just barely fits down the flue. No room to wrap it and I didn't think to use pour in insulation. I paid a little less than $600 for all the parts. I would assume that the rigid is easier to clean than flex. I've had no water since the change. It's a bit more expensive, but I think rigid is a better and more durable product.

Jim

EKLawton · Nov 27, 2009

Hogwildz said:
[Chmineylinerdepot also has a insulation wrapped single wall rigid.
Make sure you ahve enough clearance in that 7.5 with the insulation on the rigid.
If ya need help, I can prolly mosey up and give you a hand. Lemme know.

Maybe I'll yake u up on that, just got to scrap up some cash.

whats your ride? Mines 06 vulcan1600 classic.

EKLawton · Nov 27, 2009

jbrown56 said:
EK,

I have a clay lined, masonry, interior chimney. With my old stove, I had moisture problems with enough water running down the sides to run out the clean out door. Three seasons ago, I changed stoves and installed 20' of 24 ga., single wall ss liner. I didn't insulate and have very little creosote over the season. The clay flue is 8" x 12" o.d. and it just barely fits down the flue. No room to wrap it and I didn't think to use pour in insulation. I paid a little less than $600 for all the parts. I would assume that the rigid is easier to clean than flex. I've had no water since the change. It's a bit more expensive, but I think rigid is a better and more durable product.

Jim

Hope thats the cure before the new stove the crap ran down the wall in my basement, had to clean chimney every 2 weeks. now just got the condensation at the top
with low temps.

Hogwildz · Nov 27, 2009

EKLawton said:
Hogwildz said:

[Chmineylinerdepot also has a insulation wrapped single wall rigid.
Make sure you ahve enough clearance in that 7.5 with the insulation on the rigid.
If ya need help, I can prolly mosey up and give you a hand. Lemme know.

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Maybe I'll yake u up on that, just got to scrap up some cash.

whats your ride? Mines 06 vulcan1600 classic.

Lemme know. I got all the tools you could ever need if ya don't already havem.
I helped another member a couple years ago, hsi was tight fit with flex, was a real biach, but we got it done.
Just make a checklist and try and have everything on hand. Although you got HD down the road from you.
I was just through Millville today, had to look at a wreck out in Loganton.
I got a 98 Softail Custom. 1340 Evo with bored cylinders and & high output engine kit done.
Just was informed the voltage regulator is on its way out. If thats the biggest problem I have with it, I am a happy guy.

Seriously, if ya need a hand, let me know. I'll help any burning brethren that needs a hand. Just try to make it on a above 20 day

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