Variable Speed using a Nimbus Control

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dzook

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I have been using the Nimbus control manufactured by Control Resources, for a while to set certain of my circulators in my heating system to an optimized flow rate. I thought it may help folks that are interested in tweaking their systems. What follows worked for us but do your own research.

A picture of the card/control to give an idea of what it is. It fits on top of a 4x4 electrical job box.
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I have used the Nimbus board previous to the introduction of the NFCS to be able to select a fixed speed of my choosing to set some of my circulators to a custom flow rate. You can set the control manually via dip settings to output from 27%-100%. For circulators usually I start at 40-42% because that is where I found the water started moving, each circulator and situation that number an be a different value based on what head value of the loop. If it was a primary boiler circulator I would set it at say 40% and start the fire. I would watch the supply and return throughout the burn or at least into its peak and see if the temperatures got too high. If it was climing to high just move the dip settings on the nimbus to bump it up a few percent. This can be done even while its running and the change in the circ spreed is immidiate. I would find the lowest flow rate that worked throughout the whole burn. On the circ from the storage tank to the heating system I watched the supply and return temps and again used the lowest speed to get the task done.

This helped a great deal in keeping the storage tank statified. I had much higher temps for longer periods than ever before by just finding the lowest speed that worked. I took some time but well worth it. Of course there are times even with that system that a fully variable flow rate could even be better. Enter interfacing of the NFCS with the Nimbus control.

The NFCS can send signals to the Nimbus to set it at any speed in the control range. Here, Nofossil shows how the Nimbus interfaces to the NFCS. Rules can be made to operate at 40% if certain temperatures are true or 45% if other temperatures are true, etc. Each of the three circulators I'm currently controlling with this method have 3 or 4 speed selections dependant on temperature sensor feedback and rule set. This is working quite well. The ruleset and current system status I'm currently using can be seen at this link, if my system is currently connected to the network and live.

Currently the PID loop is being developed for the NFCS that will give a fully variable speed rate depending on the rules set.

We have a blog posting that gives more information if someone is interested on how we used the Nimbus for manual control with fixed speeds via dip settings and also how we are using the Nimbus with the NFCS
 
Can the Nimbus control be used with sensors to throttle a taco 007 circulator to act as a boiler reset control (e.g. tekmar 157)?
 
On the blog link is a link for the manual it has the complete
capabilities of the control

the control is designed to use with temperature sensors but unfortunantly the temperature range is
in the wrong range (it's desingned for fan control using room or duct air temp) so water temps in hydronic systems are too high
 
The Nimbus is an amazing piece of hardware. It reduces circulator power consumption dramatically, besides allowing very precise control of flow rates. I've done a lot of testing with the Nimbus and a Taco 007.

In the NoFossil Control System, I use the Nimbus as the device of choice for controlling circulators. I drive it with a 4-20ma signal that is good for transmission over long cables.

As Dean mentioned, I have a PID control capability that's in beta test. That allows closed-loop control of temperature (or delta T) by modulating flow rates.

One of the great features of the Nimbus is that it can be configured to provide a 'fail safe' circulator speed in the event that the control signal is lost, and in some applications it can provide closed loop control all by itself.

Unfortunately, it's an OEM product and the company does not sell individual units.
 
nofossil said:
Unfortunately, it's an OEM product and the company does not sell individual units.

I think I saw them listed for individual sale on smokelessheat.com- so hopefully that may solve that?
 
Dean Zook said:
On the blog link is a link for the manual it has the complete
capabilities of the control

the control is designed to use with temperature sensors but unfortunantly the temperature range is
in the wrong range (it's desingned for fan control using room or duct air temp) so water temps in hydronic systems are too high

Any idea how they do the temperature circuit? If it's a comparator type setup, it might be possible to tweak it by playing with the resistor values in the circuit...

Gooserider
 
Dean Zook said:
On the blog link is a link for the manual it has the complete
capabilities of the control the control is designed to use with temperature sensors but unfortunantly the temperature range is in the wrong range (it's desingned for fan control using room or duct air temp) so water temps in hydronic systems are too high

The unit appears to be designed to drive standard 20 kohm thermistors. Since higher resistance corresponds to lower temperature, the device could be faked-out with an in-series resistor that would make 85C appear to be 45C, for instance. Just get a resistance-to-temperature table for a 20k device, find the resistance for the desired higher setpoint, and add a series resistance that would correspond to a setpoint the unit supports.

Also a higher range thermistor, e.g., a 100K ohm device could be substituted if the equivalent resistances yield usable 'fake' temperatures.

Or contact the manufacturer and have them put together a model that supports the higher setpoints needed for hydronic systems. Their website indicates that the company is willing to branch models to support diverse applications.

--ewd
 
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