oregon "heat smart" program 1st state to require removal of uncertified stoves

Interesting - I didn't realize that Oregon was the first state to adopt the emission standards that eventually lead to the EPA rules. I wonder if this too could become a national trend... I'm sure it will be bothersome and an annoyance to many folks in any case.

In any case the objective is solid, but I wonder what makes a bigger difference - the stove or the burning practices. Seems that good practices in an old stove can burn clean just as bad practices (poor quality wood etc) in a new stove can pollute pretty bad. Overall though I wonder if the net is still a gain in a new stove - i.e. take the same population and just swap out the stoves will you really end up with cleaner air or just more frustrated people because they refuse to season their wood etc?

This is why I heat with Mr. Fusion!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Fusion#Mr._Fusion

Pagey said:

This is why I heat with Mr. Fusion!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Fusion#Mr._Fusion

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"It can be seen towards the end of Back to the Future when "Doc" Emmett Brown pulls into the McFlys' driveway after a trip to the year 2015"
~Good to know we are only 5 years away from that technology being available.

In a related note, it is really depressing creeping up on and passing the future dates of all of these sci-fi movies from the past.

LMAO Well said Is that the one that runs on beer cans and garbage. If so, maybe I can find the blueprints online. I have more than enough beer cans

Next step is to ban all wood stoves whether EPA or not.

Will Obama have to remove the 28 fireplaces in the white house when he ends his mandate?

Astrolopitec said:

Will Obama have to remove the 28 fireplaces in the white house when he ends his mandate?

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Negative. They all run on "political promises"! :lol:

Thw White House probably gets a historical exemption.

Are there any uncertified stoves in those fireplaces ?

Todd said:

Next step is to ban all wood stoves whether EPA or not.

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SHUSH!!

The American people own the White House...and I seriously doubt we'll ever sell it. Rick

Article about wood stoves in the White House.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=ifsrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=2sgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1412,3100544

I wonder if Reagan had them removed when he had Carter's solar panels removed.

Interesting comment in that article dated March 15, 1980: "...if the price of a cord of wood is less than $90 and the price of a gallon of heating oil is more than 90 cents, the wood stove would be more economical."

Around here a cord of wood is around $250 and oil was $2.48 in the fall - last week oil was $2.64. However, we scrounge wood.

Shari

Oregon has had some relatively strict laws regarding woodstoves in place for some time. When we bought our home here in 2007, the real estate broker who handled the sale applied a pretty broad interpretation to the prohibition against selling an old woodstove, and advised the seller to credit back to us a fair amount of money toward the purchase of a replacement for her old Lopi M530. It wasn't strictly required that she do so, as we could have placed the stove in service so long as we didn't move it. But she graciously did it anyway. Got a quote for a comparable new stove & knocked that amount off the sale price of the home. Worked out very well for us, because we did want the stove in a new location, so we gave the old stove to a scrap dealer and put the $$$ she gave us toward the new Liberty & installation. What I guess this new law will do is require that an uncertified stove be removed or replaced prior to closing the sale of the home. Dunno what happens in the case of inheriting a home...still a change of ownership. So far as I know, an uncertified stove can continue in use so long as the property doesn't change hands. Rick

I think its the dumbest law I've every heard, my 1970's Jotul 118 is much more efficient, and burns visually cleaner than the stupid EPA certified, UL listed Vermont Casting Century, firebrick lined pile of crap it replaced. The 118 burns less wood, keeps the house a more even temperature, makes less visible smoke. The Vermont Castings had so many heat shields to be UL listed half the heat was trapped in. I mean really a heat shield on a wood stove? Its basically insulation keeping hot air in. And maybe the Jotul could emit more particles but when both were burned under normal conditions the Jotul 118 is much cleaner.

And the West Coast tries to be so progressive and liberal while really they are stripping people of the basic rights. Why not crack down on businesses and power plants rather than individual home owners.

Seems like they a phasing it in. As homes are sold, they have to comply with the rule.
Oregon is also active in teaching & educating wood burners. I think their approach is a fairly good one.
The newer stoves are an improvement for sure.

Wood is a renewable resource, & like Oregon, many Alaskans use wood as a heat source. (percentage per capita is even more)
I don't think Alaska will enact any Governmental rules for wood burning any time soon.

Though Palin , before she quit, put money in a fund, up to $10,000 per house hold could get 100% reimbursed for energy upgrades.
efficient furnaces, wood stoves , hot water heaters, & weather proofing, insulation, windows, doors etc.

Jotul118Michigan said:

...And the West Coast tries to be so progressive and liberal while really they are stripping people of the basic rights. Why not crack down on businesses and power plants rather than individual home owners.

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Your intimate knowledge of the region and in-depth understanding of its people, its history, and its political landscape are completely underwhelming. Actually, it's OK with me that you apparently believe this ridiculous, generalized, over-simplified tripe, because it probably means you won't be coming here anytime soon. What, exactly, comprises "the West Coast" in your mind, anyway? Just curious. Rick

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Jotul118Michigan said:

...And the West Coast tries to be so progressive and liberal while really they are stripping people of the basic rights. Why not crack down on businesses and power plants rather than individual home owners.

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Your intimate knowledge of the region and in-depth understanding of its people, its history, and its political landscape are completely underwhelming. Actually, it's OK with me that you apparently believe this ridiculous, generalized, over-simplified tripe, because it probably means you won't be coming here anytime soon. What, exactly, comprises "the West Coast" in your mind, anyway? Just curious. Rick

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Get out the popcorn boys and girls, this one could headed to the Ash Can! ;-)

They'll have to take my woodstove from my cold, dead hands

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They'll have to take my woodstove from my cold, dead hands

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It will be in a house you are selling.

Our electricity comes almost exclusively from Columbia River hydro power. You can only wish you paid rates as low as I do. They sell the considerable excess to California at substantially higher rates. Why is it so hard for people to believe that a government agency can actually do something sensible, and in a sensible way? It makes perfect sense to phase out the old smoke dragons. Nobody's coming to take our stoves away. There are a lot of woodburners in Oregon, and nobody, but nobody is trying to say that's gonna change. We'll continue to burn, but we'll gradually do it more efficiently and cleaner. That's all this is all about, nothing more. Nobody's taking anybody's rights away, for crissakes. Rick

Seems reasonable to me. No one's getting their stoves removed before they sell the place, so burn away. Besides, we've had a ban on the sale of pre-EPA stoves for years, and it hasn't affected their sales on craigslist in the slightest.