Big-E not as hot

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snikr

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Sep 14, 2008
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Wallingford, VT
I have a magnetic thermometer on the side of my Big-E and during the last week the temps have been running about 75 to 100 degrees cooler than before. I did a good cleaning Saturday as I usually do but the temps are still "cooler". I have noticed that I need to clean out my burn pot almost every day now as compaired to every 3 or 4 days. I'm wondering if the pellets (Lignetics) are the cause or my thermometer is bad. If any one has other ideas let me know.

Tom
 
Can't speak to the Ligs.

But I can ask you if you got the crud out of the air chamber below the burn pot and how many pellets have you put through the stove since the last time you cleaned the combustion blower cavity, the blower impeller, and the exhaust path from that cavity back through the heat exchanger and into the fire box as well as your external vent starting on the other side of your combustion blower cavity?

Then there is the convection blower to think about.
 
snikr said:
.....I'm wondering if the pellets (Lignetics) are the cause or my thermometer is bad.
Which version of the Lig's are you burning? All hardwood, softwood, or the mix?
 
macman said:
snikr said:
.....I'm wondering if the pellets (Lignetics) are the cause or my thermometer is bad.
Which version of the Lig's are you burning? All hardwood, softwood, or the mix?
I"m Burning the Lig mix. And I cleaned the combustion fan a couple of weeks ago and not much curd in there. That said, can I put the vac hose in the combustion fan area without hurting anything? I can't do the leaf blower cleaning where mine is setup.

Tom
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
Can't speak to the Ligs.

But I can ask you if you got the crud out of the air chamber below the burn pot and how many pellets have you put through the stove since the last time you cleaned the combustion blower cavity, the blower impeller, and the exhaust path from that cavity back through the heat exchanger and into the fire box as well as your external vent starting on the other side of your combustion blower cavity?

Then there is the convection blower to think about.
I just did a cleaning of the air chamber below the burn pot Saturday as well as cleaning behind the little "doors". The door gasket looks good as well (just installed the Big-E this past fall). Keep the ideas coming.

Tom
 
snikr said:
I"m Burning the Lig mix.
Are they the green or blue label mix? The blue label mix wasn't nearly as hot as the green mix for me.
 
When you clean your burn pot do you brush it until it is almost brand new and all of the holes are clean?

What color is the residue above the burn pot on the back wall of the firebox?

If you haven't cleaned your venting from the combustion blower cavity to the vent cap inclusive and you have burned at least one ton, you need to clean it.

Be very very careful about sticking anything into the combustion blower cavity with the fan installed, it is easy to bend the fins and cause trouble. Best method is to remove the fan assembly and then do the brush and vacuum routine.

When cleaning the venting remember to remove the tee cap, I frequently remove the cap with a plastic bag (empty pellet bag) under it (my tee is inside)that way what falls out goes into the bag and not all over the place. Then I tape the bag to the pipe and go at from outside the house down into the tee and from inside the blower cavity out towards the tee, that way it gets into the bag or the vacuum. The point here is that the leaf blower doesn't need to be used and you can clean the mess without making a mess inside the house even if the tee is inside. I've also been known to just check the vent and attach a leaf blower if it isn't too bad in the horizontal run. If the weather is warm I will do the leaf blower every week as it takes very little time and prevents having to do a major cleaning operation when it is bone numbing outside.
 
nectardan said:
snikr said:
I"m Burning the Lig mix.
Are they the green or blue label mix? The blue label mix wasn't nearly as hot as the green mix for me.
They are the Green Label mix. They did burn hot tll about a week ago. I think I'm going to do the cleaning Smokey was talking about, if I can get my tee off that is.

Tom
 
I know I'll get the bum's rush for saying this, because everyone here preaches clean, clean, and when you're done, clean again, but in my experience, most variables on my stove can be blamed on pellets. I've found differences between brands, between same brands, different pallets, and even differences between bags on the same pallet. I do the maintenance called for in my manual, and don't find an unusual amount of ash where it shouldn't be, but I've been ready to tear the thing apart because of low heat, clinkers, and excess ash, but when I try a different brand of pellets, all seems to be cured. Right now, I'm on a ton of Okanagan's, and can't speak highly enough of them. Just my observations.
 
We don't preach clean, clean, clean for the sake of giving a pellet manufacturer a free pass.

Those folks usually get hammered when they mess up. I'll bet that compressedwoodsupplier might even have some stock of taken back pellets from one manufacturer that got its cart before its horse.

It gets preached because most folks do not follow the manuals recommended inspection and cleaning schedule.

They post here and say they cleaned the stove and when they actually discover what that means find all kinds of ash, some from not having cleaned certain areas of the stove for several years and many tons.

If you burn wood pellets you produce ash, the ash will wind up some where. Where it winds up determines what its effects will be, unless it is in the ash pan those effects are going to be negative.

On the surfaces of the heat exchanger less heat comes out of it, less air flow, dirtier burn, more ash is produced, go back to part one of this line.

In horizontal venting less air flow, dirtier burn, more ash is produced, go back to part one of this line (this one gets even worse because a lot of these runs never had a rise to start with and some are actually going downward).

And so it goes .....


Now if you start out with a pellet that already has a large amount of inorganic material in it you'll have more ash to start out with and the end state gets reached earlier.

However, even these pellets can be burned if the ash produced isn't allowed to pile up where it causes burn problems.

If you like the Okies you should also like the Barefoot and several other pellet brands.

One ton of PFI premium grade pellets produces no more than 20 pounds of ash, now twenty pounds of ash is a lot of ash, even 6 pounds of ash is a lot (talking Oakies here I believe), if it gets deposited in just the right spot can cause the next ton of pellets to produce a lot more crud in the stove.
 
Well I cleaned things put and it didn't seem to make much difference. From what I'm guessing right now it's my pellets. I'm picking up some more of the local pellets I tested earlier and will try them and see if there is any difference. If anyone has more ideas please pass them along and thanks to those of you who did already.

Tom
 
Fuel and air are the only two things if one stove is involved, if you did a through job of cleaning and your gaskets are all good then fuel is what is left.
 
Well I did talk to Eric at Kinsman Stoves and he gave me a idea or two about cleaning the Big-E that I'm going to try. It's in those "hard to reach" places that may be causing my "cooler" temps. Time will tell as Saturday is "cleaning day". Plus I have some different pellets to try. Thanks to everyone who helped me out this time. That's why I love this board!

Tom
 
Roger,

I've just read your rants. My problem was the side of my stove heat as that is where my thermometer is stuck. So far I'm pleased with the heat coming out of the "heat tubes". Eric at Kinsman Stoves was a great help as well. As long as the heat coming out of the heat tubes is good I'm not going to worry about the thermometer readings. And my Big-E is in my basement and so far it's been fairly good about heating my whole house. Not perfect, but with help from Eric it's good.
One thing is the Big-E has to be kept clean. I tend to "over clean" my Big-E and this seems to help. And I'm not sure mine has the flue plates. Maybe sometime you could send me photos of your plates?

Tom
 
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