Need help switching from wood stove to conventional indoor wood boiler

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NewBoiler

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Feb 23, 2010
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Hello everyone, really enjoy this forum. Lot of good information. I was wondering if you could help me out with my current heating situation.

I'll start by explaining my home. Its a 2 storey with basement and attached garage. Each storey is about 900 sq/ft giving a total of 2700 sq/ft living space plus two car garage. The house is less than 2 years old and well insulated. I have an oil hot water boiler attached to cast iron rads (refurbished) using hepex pipe and an indirect hot water tank. I also have a Regency F2400M wood stove in basement connected to an outside masonery, SS lined chimney. I have been lucky with the wood stove in that it does actually heat the basement and main floor for most of the day, burning about 8 cord a year. Thats 24 hour burning- only had to relight it twice this year.

Recently we have decided to finish our basement, putting up new walls, flooring etc.. Heres where the problem arises. I believe my wood stove has been heating our house well simply because our basement was completely open allowing the heat to travel and actually radiating through the floor to the main level. When that wood stove is burning hot, the floor on the main level is sooo warm. Now, after putting up walls and new doors in the basement, the heat isn't going to circulate as it does now and I don't think I will be able to heat the main floor as I do now.

So I have decided to sell the wood stove and install a boiler using the existing hot water rads throughout the house to heat with wood. Those cast iron rads should heat very well with a wood boiler. My budget is very limited, so I have been looking at some conventional indoor wood boilers (non-gassifying) selling as used. The brands I have seen in my area are Kerr TW2000, Benjamins, and New Yorker 200's. Gasifying wood boilers are not an option as they can't be purchased new anywhere near me, and definately can't be purchased used.

I am concerned with creosote in my chimney and the burn times of these boilers. My chimney is about 40 ft high using a 6" stainless steel liner. I get incredible draft with the wood stove. Will this good draft help with fight creosote buildup? Is there a way a can measure my draft? I know with two of those boilers, I am about 1" (7" needed) smaller for the chimney but I don't think that will have too much affect. Also, currently with the wood stove I can go almost 8 hrs. and still have coals to start a new fire. Do you think I will be relighting a new fire every morning with these boilers? As in building a new fire with paper and kindling???
Thanks for the help
 
NewBoiler have you looked at the Econoburn's? You say non of the gasifiers can be purchased locally. Not true, Econoburn can ship directly to your door. The gassers seem like a loy of money, but with the savings on wood usage, labor savings needed to ready your wood and overall longevity of the unit will save you in the long run. We have some great pricing right now.
 
Welcome NewBoiler !I live in BC. Canada I puchased a new eko 40 from the states. I had it shipped for free to shipping warehouser close to the border . I went and picked it up I had to pay about $ 700 gst and pst total when I brought it back over the line.
I think you could get one for around $ 5500 Total maybe less. The Canadian dollar is strong right now, 96 cents I think. Good time to buy south of the border.
It all went very smooth. With gassifiers u get very little creosote. And theres lots of guys here that know a lot about them.

Cheers Huff
 
altheating said:
NewBoiler have you looked at the Econoburn's? You say non of the gasifiers can be purchased locally. Not true, Econoburn can ship directly to your door. The gassers seem like a loy of money, but with the savings on wood usage, labor savings needed to ready your wood and overall longevity of the unit will save you in the long run. We have some great pricing right now.

here in quebec if you dont have the flue size as recommanded by the appliance, the insurance company will shoot you.
so if you burn the house they will look at you and smile ornd kick you out.
 
Not sure I would disregard a gassifier only because no on locally sells them,when I purchased mine a year ago I never actually seen one in person,only seen videos and read testimonies of those on this site.Shipping should not be a major factor in fact I believe another fellow Canadian just had an Econoburn shipped to him that he purchased off EBay.The prices of the Gassifiers have also come down where the price difference is competitive with conventional boilers.


Cast iron Rads and wood boilers compliment each other very well,you will be certainly be pleased with being able to distribute the heat where you want it as opposed to having hot spots.

Others on the forum will have to answer on how long you can keep a fire going I am using storage and need to light a fire every day for a 6-8 hour burn.
 
Hello, I have a conventional wood boiler similiar I think to a new yorker, its a Logwood 70K unit, I heat my house and DHW with it and the oil boiler rarely runs, just when we are away basically. I used suggestions from people here to plumb and wire it up. I have my heat zones set up with dual temp thermostats so when no wood boiler running its temp is 55 deg, when the wood boiler turns on it sets the thermostat internal setting to 'occupied' and changes its setting to 75 deg. All done with simple cheap relays, see some of my posts, just search for my ID.

Note I will say it generates ALOT of creosote, and I mean alot. I ended up building a mechanical chimney sweeper so we can run it up and down the chimney weekly. Before this I HAD to clean it every month and it would be close to being choked by then. The main cause of this I think is idling time. So diffentatly dont oversize the boiler you select if you decide on a conventional unit and you probably wont be able to run it much in the shoulder seasons unless you dont mind a monthly or more cleaning because of idling time.

We get all night burns IE fill at 9pm and have coles at 5:30 am.

We went from buring about 4-5 cord and more than a tank of oil a year to now burning 9-10 cord and basically no oil.

Unless you have your own wood lot, dont mine the cutting/hauling/splitting of wood; cleaning the chimney alot then Id save my $100 bills and go for a gassifier as the others have mentioned. The money you will save in oil, and if you have to buy your wood the $$ saved in buying 1/2 as much will pay in time the extra expense of a gassifier.


What I have works but is alot of work as well. I am looking in craigslist for a used small gassifier from someone upgrading to a larger unit to replace mine. If I find one great otherwise we'll keep chopping, hauling, splitting, hauling 10 cords a year...

~ Phil
 
What do you guys think of the 6" flue size? The boilers I am looking at specify a 7" flue size? Will this ffect performance greatly?
 
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