question about clearance

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nanama72

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Mar 9, 2008
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Western MA
We have an extra flu in our basement, and are thinking of putting in a wood stove. But the center of the flu is only 21 inches from the propane forced hot air system we have, which does heating and cooling. We aren't using the system right now because we are heating with the pellet stove instead. I'm wondering if putting a wood stove in there would damage the forced hot air system or not, or if it is considered "combustible". I don't think it is, but would the heat from a wood stove right next to the furnace pose a problem?

Thanks so much.
 
I think by code the furnace requires 36" clearance from the stove. Perhaps this can be achieved by offsetting the stove location.
 
Thanks for your reply. I was reading that no more than 2 turns in the stove pipe is recommended. Is there any danger with a 3 foot stove pipe going laterally before it hits the chimney? It might make better sense for the stove to be way out in front of the chimney from a heat flow perspective, because going laterally would put the stove in an alcove of sorts.

Thanks again
 
Horizontal stove pipe runs should be kept as short as possible and pitched uphill towards the chimney at least 1/4"/ft. Sometimes a run using 90° elbows can be replaced with a pair of 45s with a diagonal connector between them.

Pics and/or a diagram would help us see if there are other issues or solutions.
 
In the attached photo you can see the stove flu with a towel stuffed in and the furnace to the left. Everything else is just storage (i.e. - no other fireplace or washer/dryer hookup). You can see the wall coming out to the right. This alcove is off to the right of the rest of the large area of the basement at the far end of the basement pretty far from the basement steps.

Our goal for this stove is to be emergency back up heat in the event of a prolonged power outage but it would be great if we could also use it as supplemental heat in the coldest months in addition to our pellet insert in the main living area.

Thanks so much.
 

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That helps a lot. What an odd place for a fireplace. This looks like a really tight fit with the washer so close. What's the distance between the furnace front and the dryer? Looks like only about 5 feet. Are you thinking of relocating the dryer?
 
There is no fireplace there, it's just stuff being stored from our previous fireplace before we put the insert in on the main floor. The washer and dryer are only being stored there. The washer/dryer and everything else except the furnace can be moved.

I'm worried about the heat flow with the alcove that way. As you can see, there's a wall off to the right that separates this area from the open area of the basement.

We were thinking of insulating the basement but we'd have to make a utility room around the furnace and I am concerned the wall would be too close to the furnace/wood stove since we have about 16 inches between the flue and the furnace.

If we did wall off the furnace and insulate the basement, and put in a shield, would that work, or we would still need 36 inches from the furnace. Any suggestions?

Thanks so much.
 
Sorry to pester you for another picture, but I want to see the clearances on the wall side of the furnace. It's hard to see all options from the one shot. Can you take a picture standing back from the return of the furnace, looking into the alcove? I am wondering if there is clearance for a flue from the stove to reach there?

Here is a sketch of what I was thinking. Not sure if it's possible.
 

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Don't put it in your basement. Your walls are not insulated - you'll lose massive amounts of heat to them. Do a search here for "basement installation". As you'll likely have to reline the flue anyway, why not just break into it somewhere else upwards?
 
Thanks so much for all your suggestions. Here is the layout of the basement. On our ground floor we have a pellet stove insert in our fireplace which is in our central room with cathedral ceiling so there's no where to tap into the chimney. We are thinking of insulating the basement but still aren't sure if it's worth putting the stove down there. We have so many windows that it's hard to find any wall space. When we are able to redo our kitchen, we could create a space in the kitchen, but that will be a ways away.

Would you put a backup stove for emergency if the electricity was out in this basement, +/- insulation?

Thanks so much for your input.
 

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Where did the oil furnace come in? With a woodstove that would be 4 fuels to keep track of.
 
When we bought the house about 2 years ago, it had both a propane furnace for forced hot air heating/cooling. The previous owner, who was a contractor, later installed an oil furnace for baseboard and did his own retrofit radiant heat. When we moved in the first year, we couldn't afford the cost of the oil. We did a lot of research and installed the pellet stove insert which now heats our home. We don't use the oil or propane except for hot water and for stove/dryer.

The thing is, all our heating is dependent on electricity. We live in a rural area at high risk for prolonged power outages and worry about our pipes freezing. The inlaws offered to put in a wood stove for us in the event that we're out of electricity for a couple weeks. An added bonus to a wood stove would be to supplement heating from the pellet stove since the house is not as warm as I would like it in the coldest months.

Ultimately we'd like to put in geothermal, but are in nowhere near the financial position to do so now. Also, a generator that would run our well, our pellet stove or furnace, and our long term freezer is currently out of our price range. Last year there were many in my area who were without electricity for 2 weeks due to an ice storm.

I really appreciate all the advice. Are you suggesting you would not put a wood stove in the basement? I'm not sure where else we could put it.

Thanks so much.
 
A wood stove isn't gonna run that freezer or any lights. Get a four or five thousand watt generator and use it in power failures. Cheaper and easier than a wood stove and would run lights, freezer and TV etc. along with the pellet stove.
 
Sounds like quite a clusterf**k of heating systems. Simplifying will be good.

Seems like it would be reasonable to select a mainstream heating system that uses whatever is most affordable in your area be it propane or oil. This can be your backup system if you go on vacation or the family gets sick. It will also be better for resale value. You will have to discover which system (propane or oil) is better set up to heat the house. From the description, it sounds like the oil system is more important as it also heats the hot water. Then pull the other system out and sell it on craigslist. For back up power, look into a generator. It doesn't take a lot of power to run a furnace or oil boiler. You could easily cover your refrigeration and the oil unit with a 2000 watt generator.

Heating from the basement is not the best idea if it's not insulated. There will be significant heat loss through the uninsulated walls. Quite frankly, I don't understand how you are going to afford to get a new stove and install it when the price of a tank of oil is cost prohibitive. Before I recommend another heating source, what is the motivation for another costly stove installation? Is wood cheap or free?
 
the stove would be free, a gift from in-laws. Wood could be free if we put the effort in, as we own 8 acres of forest.
 
That's pretty decent of them. The best long term plan is to simplify systems. That makes less to maintain. Maybe consider pulling the propane furnace and installing an EPA wood furnace like a Caddy in it's place.
 
If you have a free wood stove and want to put it in there this is what I would do. First thing I'd do is call the propane furnace mfr. or your insurance company and ask them what their recommended clearance is for a wood stove in the vicinity of the propane furnace or if it's even an acceptable option.

If you get an answer that you are comfortable with then go for it and do the install, it should be quite easy, once you muscle the stove into the basement.

Remember this, the wood stove does NOT have to be directly in front of the wall thimble. You can move the washer/dryer, install the stove a safe distance from the propane furnace, and run the stove pipe up then laterally along the basement wall, then make the turn into the thimble....

all provided you research the proper clearances with the proper authorities.
 
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