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Slow1 said:
I think the official "overfire" temp on the surface thermometer is around 650-675 (the thermometer they include with the stove). However Dennis has reported that he hits 700 fairly often and doesn't panic when he does.

With that said, you need good dry wood to get there - keep in mind that to hit those temps you have to have a really hot fire for a bit of time as it take time to get the stones heated that hot (unlike a metal stove that gets the heat through very quickly). The max I've gotten mine to so far is just barely over 650 on two occasions.

I got mine accidentally up to 725 F last night (stovetop temp measured by Woodstock's thermometer). It was the first time this year that I loaded the stove with a few oak splits,the rest was my typical beech. I loaded up, waited 15 minutes, engaged the cat,turned down the draft to 0.5 and about 30 minutes later I checked and there was still no flame in the firebox but the top read 725! The front of the stove was below 300F. I quickly disengaged the cat and the temp dropped quickly.I only mildly panicked because the guys at Woodstock previously told me it would have to hang above 700 for over a half hour or so on a regular basis for it to be a problem.
 
You must have some good wood there, or some of the same mojo that Dennis has.
 
Flatbedford said:
You must have some good wood there, or some of the same mojo that Dennis has.

This darn wood is about 3 years old and the stuff scares the dickens out of me. It's the first dry oak I started to burn since I got the Fireview and now I'm a little worried about the stuff. Its ok if I'm around to monitor the stove, but often I load and leave for work.
 
fire_man said:
Slow1 said:
I think the official "overfire" temp on the surface thermometer is around 650-675 (the thermometer they include with the stove). However Dennis has reported that he hits 700 fairly often and doesn't panic when he does.

With that said, you need good dry wood to get there - keep in mind that to hit those temps you have to have a really hot fire for a bit of time as it take time to get the stones heated that hot (unlike a metal stove that gets the heat through very quickly). The max I've gotten mine to so far is just barely over 650 on two occasions.

I got mine accidentally up to 725 F last night (stovetop temp measured by Woodstock's thermometer). It was the first time this year that I loaded the stove with a few oak splits,the rest was my typical beech. I loaded up, waited 15 minutes, engaged the cat,turned down the draft to 0.5 and about 30 minutes later I checked and there was still no flame in the firebox but the top read 725! The front of the stove was below 300F. I quickly disengaged the cat and the temp dropped quickly.I only mildly panicked because the guys at Woodstock previously told me it would have to hang above 700 for over a half hour or so on a regular basis for it to be a problem.

This happens to me once in awhile. It seems to happen when there is no flame or redness in the coals, just a smouldering fire. Maybe it's smoke overload? I've seen 750 once but no damage, in fact the only part of the stove that's hot is the top. When I talked to WS about this they said the cat can take those temps and they worry more about the internal cast parts hitting those temps (1400 internal). So I don't worry too much about hitting 700 temporarily unless I see lots of flame and a glowing baffle along with it and it's pretty tough to get to 700 with flame in the box. If you engage at lower setting below #1 it seems to happen more often so I like to see flames when I engage and lower the setting after it gets going for awhile. Oh, WS also said the stove is more efficient with some lazy flame in there.
 
Todd said:
fire_man said:
Slow1 said:
I think the official "overfire" temp on the surface thermometer is around 650-675 (the thermometer they include with the stove). However Dennis has reported that he hits 700 fairly often and doesn't panic when he does.

With that said, you need good dry wood to get there - keep in mind that to hit those temps you have to have a really hot fire for a bit of time as it take time to get the stones heated that hot (unlike a metal stove that gets the heat through very quickly). The max I've gotten mine to so far is just barely over 650 on two occasions.

I got mine accidentally up to 725 F last night (stovetop temp measured by Woodstock's thermometer). It was the first time this year that I loaded the stove with a few oak splits,the rest was my typical beech. I loaded up, waited 15 minutes, engaged the cat,turned down the draft to 0.5 and about 30 minutes later I checked and there was still no flame in the firebox but the top read 725! The front of the stove was below 300F. I quickly disengaged the cat and the temp dropped quickly.I only mildly panicked because the guys at Woodstock previously told me it would have to hang above 700 for over a half hour or so on a regular basis for it to be a problem.

This happens to me once in awhile. It seems to happen when there is no flame or redness in the coals, just a smouldering fire. Maybe it's smoke overload? I've seen 750 once but no damage, in fact the only part of the stove that's hot is the top. When I talked to WS about this they said the cat can take those temps and they worry more about the internal cast parts hitting those temps (1400 internal). So I don't worry too much about hitting 700 temporarily unless I see lots of flame and a glowing baffle along with it and it's pretty tough to get to 700 with flame in the box. If you engage at lower setting below #1 it seems to happen more often so I like to see flames when I engage and lower the setting after it gets going for awhile. Oh, WS also said the stove is more efficient with some lazy flame in there.

Thanks for the confirmation. I also have noticed it only happens when there are no flames and agree it's probably cat-smoke overload. I like your idea of lowering the setting only after it gets going for a while - it makes perfect sense. The flames in the firebox burn off some of the smoke before it gets to the cat and prevents overload. I just wonder if all my well seasoned Oak is gonna behave this way - I'll have to watch it and warn my wife - she gets morning stove duty.
 
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Flatbedford said:
You must have some good wood there, or some of the same mojo that Dennis has.

This darn wood is about 3 years old and the stuff scares the dickens out of me. It's the first dry oak I started to burn since I got the Fireview and now I'm a little worried about the stuff. Its ok if I'm around to monitor the stove, but often I load and leave for work.

I'll gladly trade some of my wood for some of that scary wood if you want :)
 
I love this website. By the time I get mine running and ready for the next season I'll already feel like I know what I'm doing. Heck, because of you guys I already had 2 cords of 1 year old cut and split oak dumped at my place!!
 
Todd said:
BrowningBAR said:
I appreciate the feedback. It looks like I will be the owner of a 2005 Woodstock Fireview.

2005? Did you score a used one?


I did. Looks spotless inside an out. Owner was asking under a grand.
 
BrowningBAR said:
Todd said:
BrowningBAR said:
I appreciate the feedback. It looks like I will be the owner of a 2005 Woodstock Fireview.

2005? Did you score a used one?


I did. Looks spotless inside an out. Owner was asking under a grand.

Sounds like a great deal. That makes up for the Mansfield debacle. Is the cat in good shape?
 
dreezon said:
Thought I should reply since I have a very similar situation. My house is brick sided, built in 1928, and about 2000 to 2200 square feet (depending how you figure it). We have replacement windows but no insulation in the walls and not enough in the attic. I installed my Fireview in the fall. Let me preface my experiences by pointing out that a lot of my wood was not fully seasoned. Some of it up close to 30%, which I'm sure is working against me, but the only other choice I had was to buy wood.

Anyway, I find that it can keep our house pretty comfortable in the 30s and 40s with no help from the furnace. Down into the twenties, it may need some help in the early morning (which is also when the stove is at its lowest heat output). In the teens, I find the furnace coming on just before loading even during the day. When we get down to single digits and negative temps, the stove needs a lot of help from the furnace. I should also point out that we typically keep the thermostat (in the same room as the stove) at 64 during the day and 60 or even 58 at night. I think, however, that the thermostat is reading the temperature of the wall (adjacent to some cold basement stairs) more than it is the room.

Overall, we're not staying any warmer than we did without the stove (unless we're in the room with it) but did reduce our first heating bill of the winter from $360 last year to $150 this year. Haven't seen the bill from the extreme cold of the last few weeks yet.

I had a revelation, though, when I visited my grandfather's house in northern Iowa. His stove is an older Dover, which I doubt is as efficient as the Fireview, but he was able to keep his house stuffy warm burning very small, low fires in that stove (outside temps around 0º). The difference. Primarily insulation. He built the house just 15 years ago and insulated his 2 x 6 walls to modern standards. I'm convinced the fireview would be more than adequate for us if I could afford to insulate my house properly, but I'm not sure I can a afford the $$$$$$$. I hesitate to make that kind of investment in the house because, if I sell the house in the near future, I doubt the insulation would increase the price by anywhere near what it cost me.

Regarding burn times, I get 8 to 9 hours overnight routinely even in the coldest weather, but if I tried to keep it near maximum output, like the others, it would probably be more like 4 to 6. (I'm trying to conserve wood due to a shortage.) I reload at midnight and at 8 or 9, there are more than enough coals to get the new fire going in a few minutes. If we only need, light heating, 12 hours is not difficult, but I find that I get a lot more creosote inside the box at that rate. Again, however, my wood is not optimally seasoned. Can't wait till next year when everything is adequately seasoned.


And that is why I just purchased a third stove. I got tired of being cold in parts of this 269 year old house. I am only asking this stove to heat 1,000-1,200 sq ft. and some of that square footage will be overlapping the range of the other stoves. I am shooting for 70-75 degrees throughout the house. I can get the room with the vigilant in it to hit 90 degrees even when the outside temps are in the low teens, but the problem is I can not get that air to move much further out of that room (not that I want it to be 90 degrees in the house).

I don't want the furnace kicking in unless I am sick or hung over and can't get out of bed to get wood... preferably hung over.
 
Todd said:
BrowningBAR said:
Todd said:
BrowningBAR said:
I appreciate the feedback. It looks like I will be the owner of a 2005 Woodstock Fireview.

2005? Did you score a used one?


I did. Looks spotless inside an out. Owner was asking under a grand.

Sounds like a great deal. That makes up for the Mansfield debacle. Is the cat in good shape?


The photos were too dark to tell when it came to the Cat. I could only see the firebox which looked to be in great shape and the exterior seemed spotless. It is a 3 hour drive which I am planning on within the next 7-10 days.

The Mansfield debacle frustrated the hell out of me. But, in the end I am saving $500 and the stove is half the distance.
 
I'm having a hard time with thinking about feeding 3 stoves - but the FV won't take up a lot of time or effort. Very efficient and long burns, keeping it going 24/7 is easy.
 
BrowningBAR said:
I don't want the furnace kicking in unless I am sick or hung over and can't get out of bed to get wood... preferably hung over.

I like your style.

Even if you have to replace the cat at what? $129, you are still doing good at that price.
 
rickw said:
I'm having a hard time with thinking about feeding 3 stoves - but the FV won't take up a lot of time or effort. Very efficient and long burns, keeping it going 24/7 is easy.

That is what I am hoping for. As for three stove, well, I'm hoping the Intrepid continues to work it self out. Apart from the short burn times I am fiddling with that stove less and less every week.
 
I just put a deposit down on a Firevew. Really have enjoyed all the information on this site relative to the Woodstock stoves. I'm taking delivery late in May, and they will build it the week prior. I can still pick a color. I'm inclined to get the matted black for that I can easily touch it up, etc, but I'll have to say, I do like some of the other colors. I like some of the enameled stoves; when they are new. They look terrible years later when they are shipped and cracked. After talking to Woodstock, I understand that they use only painted finishes for that reason. Can anyone comment on the durability of the other colors?
 
I believe that you can buy the same spray paint for touch-up for all the colors. The risk, I suppose, is that if you get some unusual color that it might be discontinued some day - black doesn't ever seem to go out of style eh?
 
Congratulations on your new stove North!

No matter what the color of the stove you should still be able to get touch-up paint right from Woodstock. I do not expect any problems with the paint on the Woodstock. We've only burned ours for 3 winters now but it still looks new.
 
BrowningBAR said:
rickw said:
I'm having a hard time with thinking about feeding 3 stoves - but the FV won't take up a lot of time or effort. Very efficient and long burns, keeping it going 24/7 is easy.

That is what I am hoping for. As for three stove, well, I'm hoping the Intrepid continues to work it self out. Apart from the short burn times I am fiddling with that stove less and less every week.

At this rate, by June you won't be fiddling with it at all. :coolsmirk:
 
BeGreen said:
BrowningBAR said:
rickw said:
I'm having a hard time with thinking about feeding 3 stoves - but the FV won't take up a lot of time or effort. Very efficient and long burns, keeping it going 24/7 is easy.

That is what I am hoping for. As for three stove, well, I'm hoping the Intrepid continues to work it self out. Apart from the short burn times I am fiddling with that stove less and less every week.

At this rate, by June you won't be fiddling with it at all. :coolsmirk:


I haven't had the Intrepid running since March. The Vigilant, on the other hand, is sitting at 500 degrees.

The issue with the Intrepid turned out to be a really strong draft. Without the bypass closed the heat would get sucked right up the pipe and the stove would take a REALLY long time to get up to temp. A pipe damper would be ideal, but the setup doesn't allow for it. So, the solution was to 'flip the 30 levers' to engage the 'overly complicated cat' much sooner.
 
Too bad about the Mansfield.From my experience the Fireview won't out heat the Mansfield and if you have a good draft with a pipe damper the Mansfield will heat longer than the Fireview.
 
IMHO the Fireview will IN NO WAY heat like the Mansfield. I have the Mansfield and my good friend has the Fireview. The Fireview is a smaller
stove and" to me" doesn't have the heat output of the Mansfield. You must remember there is about a 85% to 15% ownership of Fireview on this
forum and everyone is very biased about there own stoves, understandably...including myself. Also the "View" of the fire and the burn is more beautiful on the Mansfield and the glass seems to stay alot cleaner than on the fireview and in my opinion the overall look of the Mansfield isn't even comparable. And no
waiting to engage a combustor or in that fact no replacing one either. IMHO
 
I don't think there's any doubt that the Mansfield should deliver more heat than the Fireview. It has a larger fire box by 1 cu ft so it holds many more BTU's, but it is also way less efficient, only 77% compared to 91% Fireview. So to some households it may be better to go with efficiency than brute force.
 
yanksforever said:
IMHO the Fireview will IN NO WAY heat like the Mansfield. I have the Mansfield and my good friend has the Fireview. The Fireview is a smaller
stove and" to me" doesn't have the heat output of the Mansfield. You must remember there is about a 85% to 15% ownership of Fireview on this
forum and everyone is very biased about there own stoves, understandably...including myself. Also the "View" of the fire and the burn is more beautiful on the Mansfield and the glass seems to stay alot cleaner than on the fireview and in my opinion the overall look of the Mansfield isn't even comparable. And no
waiting to engage a combustor or in that fact no replacing one either. IMHO


I always find it interesting how a thread will pop back up every now and then.

I agree, the Mansfield would put out more heat, though the burn times would be about the same, for the most part. The Fireview would also be more efficient (but, if it doesn't put out the needed heat, then the efficiency is useless... not saying the Fireview doesn't heat well, just saying that efficiency comes second to heat output in my book). Realistically, the Mansfield probably would have been complete overkill for the area and I think I am probably better off having the Mansfield deal fall through. Also, the Fireview deal fell through and I ended up getting a used Heritage that looks brand new.

Anyhow, looking forward to this coming winter with the three stoves.
 
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