humidifier and hygrometer question

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rsweet696

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Oct 22, 2010
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Hello everyone,

I am new here and just wondering if you could help me with a few things. I have searched all of the forums with no real answers. I did however get a lot of great information by reading around here. And i am so grateful to the people that contribute to this forum.

I guess i should start off explaining what i have first. I have a two story colonial built in 1999. it is pretty well insulated since it is so new. I bought a Breckwell Big E pellet stove almost two years ago. this will be my third season using it. 3/4 of my basement is finished and my pellet stove is in the unfinished part of the basement. My furnace and oil tank is in there as well as it is where i store my pellets and other things (tools etc). I keep the door to the unfinished part partially open as it creates a nice cold air return down the stairs (which are located on the other side of the house from the pellet stove). We don't really use the basement that much and in the summer i need to run a dehumidifier so that the basement doesn't become musky or the couches down there don't begin to smell.

I cut out three holes in the ceiling of the unfinished part of the basement to the first floor and put registers in them so the heat would rise up. And last year i cut holes to my second floor in hopes that the heat would also rise up there as well (it did a little but nothing spectacular). The stove does heat the basement and first floor very well.

This year I am thinking about getting a humidifier to try and combat the dry air that happens from running the stove. The stove runs 24 hrs on setting two or three (there are five settings) depending on how cold it is outside. I also heard that running a humidifier makes the house feel warmer and more comfortable is that true?

****So my first question is; if i buy a whole house or a console humidifier where should i put it? Should it go in the basement or on the first floor? And if it does go in the basement should it go in the unfinished part where the stove is or in the finished part?? We don't use the basement a lot so if i did put it in the basement would the humidifier work on the first and maybe the second floor?

****The second question i have is that i have been looking around online (a lot on ebay) for a Temp/humidity thermometer. If i am not mistaken it is called a Hygrometer?? And i have seen some cheap ones online. What i would like to do is put one or maybe even two of these on each floor so i can monitor the humidity. Now my question is how well do these work? Does it matter if it is a cheap one or not? I don't need anything two fancy or accurate but do these even work??

thanks everyone in advanced and i hope i can get some help here
rsweet696

ps - i just bought a loveless cougar ash vacuum as well. I had been using my shop vac with a special fine dust filter so i am so exicted to get this hopefully next week... just thought i'd add that thanks again
 
About the Temp/humidity thermometer thing...... I have an Oregon Scientific Weather Station...... It has 10 remotes that you can put all over the house..... you can check the temp and humidity in every room , attic and basement..... Bingo !!!!!!!!! You will see the results of humidifiers, fans, closing doors and stuff like that almost right away...... I think they make several different models of weather stations........
 
BadDad320 said:
About the Temp/humidity thermometer thing...... I have an Oregon Scientific Weather Station...... It has 10 remotes that you can put all over the house..... you can check the temp and humidity in every room , attic and basement..... Bingo !!!!!!!!! You will see the results of humidifiers, fans, closing doors and stuff like that almost right away...... I think they make several different models of weather stations........

that sounds like a good idea... thanks for the imput

is this the unit you have??

http://www2.oregonscientific.com/ca...annels-for-the-WMR200,-WMR100,-and-WMR90.html

how does it work? do you just put the sensors on each floor/room in the house and read it off the main unit? can you put them on different floors??
 
Those are the sensors.... yup...... Base station lets you read the sensors remotely..... I have an old victorian.... kind of big.... the sensors are from the attic to the basement and everywhere in between.... This is my 3rd year and aside from my kids stealing batteries occasionally they work great..... Check around the net for the best prices...... I have model WMR90A...... You will be surprised with the temp and humidity variations from room to room......
 
I have a dehumidifier in my basement that I use in the summer for the same reasons you do. I have a wood stove in my basement that I use in the winter. The wood stove "dries" out the basement instead of the dehumidifier. It seems to me that you might not need a humidifier. If that space is damp to begin with and the stove dries it out why would you want to add moisture back in?
Are the walls insulated where you have your stove? If not you are probably waisting a lot of heat warming up the foundation.
 
The outer walls of the room where the stove is are not sheet rocked... they have insulation on the upper part where there is no foundation. The finished part that i have the dehumidifier in doesn't really get damp... i have just noticed that my couches down there start to smell like a musky basement. i have to empty the dehumidifier once a day or once every other day so i know the humidity is up down there.

the reason i want to do a humidifier is mainly for the rest of the house because when i run the stove the entire house becomes dry even the basement (well not as much as upstairs). so i thought about getting one to try and combat the dryness... i might just go with the hygrometer... run the stove for a while and see how the humidity is and go from there. but i was hoping to get some questions answered before i bought a humidifier, if i did buy one.

anybody else care to comment on the location of the humidifier or the hygrometer or anything else??

thanks for the comments so far
 
Anyone else have any input... it would appreciated. thanks in advance
 
I was always told that your home will feel warmer if you have the right amount of humidity in the air. During the heating season even your furniture and wood cabinetry will change with the lowered humidity. Your health will aslo be affected when the humidity level is to low: dry skin runny nose etc., not to mention static electricity.

People always comment on how nice and warm the weather is with temperatures around 70 deg F., but that same temp in your home during the heating season feels colder. I personally think it's the humidity level as the home air cannot hold the heat at lower humidity levels. We run a humidifier all during the heating season. A quick check on one Internet site stated " the humidity level should be between 30-50%, and the ideal being 45%". Levels above 50% start causing trouble with molds.
 
smalltown said:
I was always told that your home will feel warmer if you have the right amount of humidity in the air. During the heating season even your furniture and wood cabinetry will change with the lowered humidity. Your health will aslo be affected when the humidity level is to low: dry skin runny nose etc., not to mention static electricity.

Peolple always comment on how nice and warm the weather is with temperaures around 70 deg F., but that same temp in your home during the heating season feels colder. I personally think it's the humidity level as the home air cannot hold the heat at lower humidity levels. We run a humidifier all during the heating season. A quick check on one internet site stated " the hunidity level should be between 30-50%, and the ideal being 45%". Levels above 50% start causing trouble with molds.
when u heat a house with a furnce, it heats under the windows to avoid condensation at the cold spots. when u heat from a spot like a pstove it heats from the point of heat out to the cold spots where condensation is more apt to happen & mold can result= hot air holds the humidity but when it hits the cold, it dumps the humidity..........cold closets on exterior walls are the worst places for mold
 
RSWEET696
I have had a weather station at my house for 5 years and I monitor the outside and inside conditions year round.I find that In the winter the humidity in the house will be around 30% while outside It can be anywhere mother nature wants It to be. the reason being as you heat the air using what ever you have (Wood, Pellets,Oil or Gas) the water vapor will condense out.I have used a whole house console humidifier and didnt like It. I now run a LARGE room humidifier In the living room where my pellet stove Is and also one In our bedroom with much better results. You can feel the difference in the house when they are running as It feels much warmer. As far as getting the hygrometers go for the cheepies unless you plan to turn Into a weather nut like me
Jim
 
Thanks guys you are making some great points and have some great ideas. I am going to look around for a weather station if i can find one cheap i might pick it up.

NH Jim where do you have your outdoor sensors for your weather station? back of house, side of house etc??




I am probably going to get the hygrometer cheapies unless i can find a weather station cheap and monitor the humidity... but i am either going to get a console or large room humidifier and my main concern is where should i put it??? Should i put it in the basement where the stove is or upstairs where we spend most of our time and worry about the two upper floors?? the basement seems to have some natural humidity so it may be ok but what does everyone else think?? does anyone have the same setup with the stove being in the basement and use a humidifier?? where did you put the humidifier?

thanks so much for the help
 
My outdoor sensors are mounted on a 25 Ft. pole on the side of the house with the wind anemometer at the top the temperature humidity and rain gauge mounted in a fan activated radiation shield about 5 feet above ground. This sends data to a console in the house and the console sends data to my computer which In turn sends hourly updates to my web site and the NWS. Complicated and expensive Davis Instruments ( $1200.00) I forgot to mention that the humidifier we have in our living room (Holmes) has a built in gauge that tells the humidity and you can set It to add more moisture to the air. I would put the humidifiers In the room you use most as we have.Living room and bed room
Jim
 
rsweet696 said:
Anyone else have any input... it would appreciated. thanks in advance

I know exactly what you're asking about. You NEED some humidity for:

A. More comfortable heat.
B. Healthier.
C. IF you have wood floors. They need it.

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if i buy a whole house or a console humidifier where should i put it?

What I recommend is a whole house humidifier as an Aprilaire. http://www.aprilaire.com/index.php?znfAction=ProductDetails&category=5&item=700

THEN, get this stat. http://luxproducts.com/thermostats/cag1500.php With this stat, you can program the furnace fan ONLY to circulate the air and trigger the humidifier. For example: 5 mins ON every hr. But the question is this. Do YOU have whole house duct work? If not, put a mobile humidifier UPSTAIRS where you really need it.
 
poconoman said:
rsweet696 said:
Anyone else have any input... it would appreciated. thanks in advance

I know exactly what you're asking about. You NEED some humidity for:

A. More comfortable heat.
B. Healthier.
C. IF you have wood floors. They need it.

"
if i buy a whole house or a console humidifier where should i put it?

What I recommend is a whole house humidifier as an Aprilaire. http://www.aprilaire.com/index.php?znfAction=ProductDetails&category=5&item=700

THEN, get this stat. http://luxproducts.com/thermostats/cag1500.php With this stat, you can program the furnace fan ONLY to circulate the air and trigger the humidifier. For example: 5 mins ON every hr. But the question is this. Do YOU have whole house duct work? If not, put a mobile humidifier UPSTAIRS where you really need it.

unfortunately i have forced hot water baseboard heaters so i cannot get the duct work humidifier. I am still trying to figure out if i put a console or whole house humidifier on the first floor would it also throw humidity to the second floor through both the stairway upstairs and the registers i put in the floors??

Should i put the humidifier right next to the stove so it rises with the warm air??

still need some opinions on that.

thanks for everyone who has contributed so far.
 
Rather than read through every reply I will say this.

1. I have an Oregon Scientific outdoor thermometer that has both and outside and inside hygrometer. I have been burning the stove without a humidifier the last few days and this morning I woke up with a really dry sore throat and the inside hygrometer said 16%.

I find that if I keep it at a reading of 30% I feel fine and very comfortable.

2. As for the humidifier, I have an evaporator consol-ish type that I got from Walmart for about 100.00. (hm 3502) It used to be a Holmes brand, but now I think it is a Sunbeam. It takes about 9 or 12 gallons or something and keeps my 1000 square house nice and humid. I keep it on the upper level by the stairs (one level up from the stove).

Evaporitve are more efficient, and have less chance of putting too much moister in the house, and on the walls making mold and stuff.

I put an additive in the tanks to inhibit mold and bacteria growth and haven't had a problem.

I run it on manual mode, and it works perfectly. Ignore the "auto" humidity setting as it will just make the unit jitter on and off uselessly.
 
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