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wilburg

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Oct 20, 2010
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Western Mass
Im getting a new pellet stove, I need to invest in a vaccuum.

Should I get a shop vac or an ash vac?

How much should I expect to pay for the suggestion you make?

Brands?

Other suggestions???
 
The ash vac site states that even a small ember can ruin/ignite their bag inside the unit. That is about the same as what would happen to my HEPA filter on my shop vac. I only use my Shop Vac when there is no fire so the shop vac is just fine. If you think that you want an ash vac so you can vac hot coals/embers, think about it. Maybe some folks can chime in on how much 'live' ash they vac up but i would just get a good shop vac with HEPA filter and be done.
 
I own a Loveless ash vac and can highly recommend it for ash cleanup. I own a pellet stove and a wood burning insert. I would be highly fearful of using a shopvac with a straight paper hepa filter if there is any chance of live embers being sucked up. The filter in the ash vac is more of a cloth, fire retardent material. I have vacuumed my fireplace 8 hours after the last fire went out, and as you get deep into the ash, you can sometimes find embers still glowing red. The metal hose on the ash vac will actually get warm, but after 4 years of use, I do not even have so much as a singe mark on that filter. How a live ember would act in a paper filter could be disasterous. One other plus, the canister is metal as opposed to plastic.
The only thing bad I can say about my ash vac is, it is VERY LOUD. If I forget to use ear protection, my ears will actually be ringing after use. I wont let my toddler in the same room when I am using it either, for fear of hearing damage. The only other complaint is the price, but for the piece of mind if gives me, I can overlook that.
 
I've been cleaning my whitfield with my standard hoover vac for 14 years, never had a problem. not having an ash vac is one less thing I have to find a place to store.
 
I use a shop vac with a HEPA filter. I give the stove a good while to cool down, bush the majority of ash into the pan and finish up nooks and crannies with the vac.

The flour fine ash that is caught in the filter makes it very fire resistant, if not fire proof.
 
If you look at the cost of the ash vac, you can conclude that with a little patience, a reg. little portable cheap vac will do the the trick just fine. I have a couple of cheap shop vacs. about 20-30 bucks. One I have been using and now on my third year for cleaning the stove out. But, my stove is never cleaned with any hot ash. I used to pick up my removable burn pot with a pair of pliers and dump what ever there was in to a metal bucket. My ash bin slides out, so I don't vac that area. All that is left is the walls, pipes and grate, none of which can hold lit ash. With OAK installed, my burn pot only has dust in it once the stove cools down. I take the shop vac outside and bang the filter against a tree to shake it all out. Put it back together and I'm good to go. I do keep a small metal trash can with a lid on it to put the ash in. I keep the covered can of ash well away from the house. Later on, I dump the ash in my garden or on my lawn. Never rush it, and you can save a couple hundred dollars. (and not burn your house down)
 
This debate seems to come up every once in a while, you can probably find several threads on the topic. But for what it's worth I am using a Rigid wet/dry vac with a crevice nozzle for the tight (pellet) corners. I never use it within 8-12 hours of stove operation and have had no issues other than the filter clogging vey quickly, I looked for a while into getting a cheetah or a cougar, but the expense is just too great for a single point of use vacuum. I can buy 3 vacuums and filters for each for the same price!

- just my 2c
 
I see the ash vacs are about $250. Wow. That's pretty steep!
 
They can be found for $180 if you look around.

I am very happy to have mine. It's incredibly noisy so I wear hearing protection but I love vacuuming out my hot stove with absolutely no fear of vacuum damage or fires. I run 24/7 so shutting down to cool enough for a shop-vac cleanup every week is not something I am willing to do. I can shut down the stove for a total of about 15 minutes and take care of my weekly cleaning... How long for a shop-vac ? 2 or 3 hours minimum maybe ?

Comes down to how patient you are in my opinion...
 
i use a cheap HD small shop vac with a cloth filter over the paper filter works great, once a week i empty vac on the lawn and shake out the filter, i always wait until stove has been shut down for a few hours before i vacuum as an extra safety precaution i move vac outside away from house.
 
5hp shop vac with bag.
vac cost $19 on black friday after rebates.
cost of bags. can't remember. one last all year.
 
Shop vac on year 11. Keep waiting for it to die but? Hepa that last about 3 seasons. So far so good.

If the other pricey vac owners looked at the manuals they do say to watch out for hot spots and not to suck them up. The filter in the vac's are not fire proof and will burn. I have seen one after the fire from a wood insert. A smoldering pellet will do the same thing.

If you can't afford one? A shop vac will do. Just let it cool for an 1 1/2 to 2 hours. I never suck out the burnpot. I remove and dump it into the ash pan. The ash pan is either dumped outside or in a metal barrel that is stored outside. If I do suck up an ember the vac goes outside for the night. So should the Other ash vacs. You never know!
 
I have used a small shop vac with paper filter for 2 years. My wife can not stand it sometimes it blows some dust if the filter is not on right. I just purchased a new hearth country small ash vac from tractor supply for 100.00 hopeing it will work better. If anyones knows it won't let me know so I can take it back.
 
gripper93 said:
I have used a small shop vac with paper filter for 2 years. My wife can not stand it sometimes it blows some dust if the filter is not on right. I just purchased a new hearth country small ash vac from tractor supply for 100.00 hopeing it will work better. If anyones knows it won't let me know so I can take it back.

gripper93 do you have any more info on it. I might swing the $100 or maybe this spring when the hearth stuff goes on sale at TSC.
 
j-takeman said:
If the other pricey vac owners looked at the manuals they do say to watch out for hot spots and not to suck them up.

Here's what the manufacturer of my vac says: http://www.lovelessash.com/cheetahII.html

What you can safely vacuum
We advise that you always allow enough time for all embers to completely die and cool off, and offer these guidelines to give you a feel for how fire resistant our fabric filters are.

What we refer as a “firefly” is unlikely to burn a hole in our filter. A firefly is like the tiny spark that floats up out of a fireplace, and it glows for no longer than a firefly – about a second before it burns out.

What we refer to as a “cigarette” could potentially burn a hole in our filter. It is a piece/chunk of partially burned fuel (wood or pellet) that has a red hot glowing ember attached, much like a cigarette. These carry enough fuel with them, that, if lodged against the filter, with swirling air, could heat up and damage the filter.

If you need to clean a pellet stove while the contents in the pot still seem warm, the best way to ensure your AshVac only picks up only ash, and not large hot embers, is to rest the nozzle at an angle directly on the bottom of the pot, and then move it around so it sucks fine ash particles from the bottom of the pile. The narrow opening between the pot floor and nozzle allows ash through, but blocks larger material, including hot embers that are large enough to be problematic.

If I give my stove 5 minutes of down time there's nothing glowing.
 
This topic just never goes away, does it? Does anyone ever use 'Search'????? You'll find hundreds of 'reasons' to buy and just as many not to buy Loveless ash vacs. Don't expect anything more than that.
 
LISTEN PEOPLE AND FELLOW PIGOUT'S, A PELLET STOVE WHEN TURNED OFF TAKES ABOUTS 20-30 MINS TO "COOL" OFF BEFORE ALL THE BLOWER'S SHUTDOWN BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR, SO THERE IS ZERO HOT EMBER'S, THIS ISN'T A WOODSTOVE WERE THERE'S HOT ASH 2-3 DAY'S LATER HIDING UNDER ASH, THERE IS NO HOT EMBER'S EVER TO WORRY ABOUT!!
 
I bought a cheap (34.99) bagged upright to do my cleaning. The bags are 3 for 3 bucks, and the bags do great to capture all the ash.I did not want the hassel of cleaning filters left and right(shop-vac)so when the bags full slap a new one on and away we go plus 34 bucks is not a big investment so if it gives me a couple years of service great.
 
Pellet-King said:
LISTEN PEOPLE AND FELLOW PIGOUT'S, A PELLET STOVE WHEN TURNED OFF TAKES ABOUTS 20-30 MINS TO "COOL" OFF BEFORE ALL THE BLOWER'S SHUTDOWN BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR, SO THERE IS ZERO HOT EMBER'S, THIS ISN'T A WOODSTOVE WERE THERE'S HOT ASH 2-3 DAY'S LATER HIDING UNDER ASH, THERE IS NO HOT EMBER'S EVER TO WORRY ABOUT!!

I wouldn't have put it so strongly, but I usually don't give it more than 30 minutes to cool down either.

I used a shop vac with the 'default' filter and it always released a cloud when it was first turned on. I solved this problem by putting a second hose on the vac output and dropping the exhaust hose out a nearby window. Not convenient, but it did release the cloud outside of the house. I've since upgraded to a HEPA filter so both the cloud and second hose are gone. I've had no issues but I do empty the ashes from the vac and let the vac sit outside for a few hours just in case I'm wrong.
 
The funny thing is that most people use this site for info. Some people like to use it to yell at us firestarters for lack of experience on the site so is it so bad we post things like ash vac questions or God forbid someone say something twice. I love this forum and I have told many people about it but sometimes I wonder why! I guess some people just have nothing else better to do than post slander posts. And some people just get on here for info and rather than serching its quicker to ask the question. So I will say it for the rest of us small guys SORRY, Never mind I take it back. To answer your other question the web site is www.hearthcountry.com
 
Pellet-King said:
LISTEN PEOPLE AND FELLOW PIGOUT'S, A PELLET STOVE WHEN TURNED OFF TAKES ABOUTS 20-30 MINS TO "COOL" OFF BEFORE ALL THE BLOWER'S SHUTDOWN BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR, SO THERE IS ZERO HOT EMBER'S, THIS ISN'T A WOODSTOVE WERE THERE'S HOT ASH 2-3 DAY'S LATER HIDING UNDER ASH, THERE IS NO HOT EMBER'S EVER TO WORRY ABOUT!!

Maybe for you stove.

My bigE would have pellets miss the burn pot and endup in the ash pan. When the stove was on heat setting 4 or 5 the pellets would get hot and smolder like an ember. Not hot enough to burn with lames. They would stay hot for more than an hour. What if I sucked them up?

My old quad would get a massive clinkers with certain pellets. I used to have to cycle the thermostat a time or to to get the combustion blower to turn back on or the thing smelled up the house. Even then there was still alot of heat in the clinkers. They went into a metal bucket.

Not all stoves are the same. I do just like at my day job. Safety first and you wont be sorry.
 
Pellet-King said:
LISTEN PEOPLE AND FELLOW PIGOUT'S, A PELLET STOVE WHEN TURNED OFF TAKES ABOUTS 20-30 MINS TO "COOL" OFF BEFORE ALL THE BLOWER'S SHUTDOWN BEFORE YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT OPENING THE DOOR, SO THERE IS ZERO HOT EMBER'S, THIS ISN'T A WOODSTOVE WERE THERE'S HOT ASH 2-3 DAY'S LATER HIDING UNDER ASH, THERE IS NO HOT EMBER'S EVER TO WORRY ABOUT!!


I think he is yelling so we can hear him over our ash vac's.. :)
 
mitchinpa said:
I think he is yelling so we can hear him over our ash vac's.. :)

;-P
 
When I used to get that bird's nest in the burn pot, I would scoop it out into a covered ash bucket. Hours later, it would still have hot embers in the center. I've read about way too many house fires from leaving pails of stove ash on the back porch. Have to admit, I have no idea if they were from wood or pellet stoves. But hot ash, is just that!
If you scoop out the burn pot, dump it and the ash pan into a covered ash bucket, and let the stove cool, you should be safe to use any vac.
 
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