Enviro M55 Help Needed Please!

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Hi guys and Gals, posting this for my best friend,they bought the stove 1 year ago,warranty runs out in one week.They are pretty dissapointed in the dirtyness of the Glass in just 1 hour of running.They have had no luck at all with the Dealer/tech,he has been to the house a couple times doing a pasper check for air leaks ect,and said everything is as its supposed to be.I myself being an Enviro owner,feel it is a bit excessive for soot,we are both burning same pellets 100% softwood,the pics below of there stove is after 1/4 bag or approx 5 hours runtime,always smokes in same area and is extremely noticable after 1 hour runtime.This is 1 weeks worth of soot on my Enviro EF-III,is there something that needs adjusted here that they are missing?Stove was installed by Dealer.
 

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My Enviro M55 is only a 10 days old. When I came home the first day to see it fired up (installed by the Owner of the store where I bought it), I had the same experience. Same area on the glass, same soot level, same everything. I'm kind of a Forum lurker, and rarely speak up (hence my "Total Posts"). Soon I'll post pics, and do a Pro's/Con's Post for my M55.
 
will appreciate it DevinM88, and don,t be a lurker, you never know, you may have just the info someone is looking for, welcome to the Forum, great buncha peeps here with a wealth of Knowledge.If you want to post some pics in this thread so others can see there not alone on the situation, would be greatly appreciated.Brian
 
I believe it does smokey, and it doesn,t appear to make a diff where the heat is set at,it does it at all settings,you would think it was sucking air in the corner where the smoke is, but Paper test shows it sealed tight.
 
When they set the stove up, Was the draft checked with a magnahelic gauge? The air wash on these stoves doesn't cover the full glass area. They always get dirty on the top. Mine has that pattern but on both sides. I can go for weeks and the center of the glass is still clear to see in the burn pot.

I get window clouding on low from the softies and corn with the Omega. I can only adjust the damper or lower the feed trim to about 2. The M55 has feed trim and combustion air trim controls on the board.

http://envirofire.biz/warrantyClaim...&video=Enviro-M55-Circuit-board-operation.flv

I would set the feed trim to 1 or 2 on the softwoods. If its still getting cloaded, Raise the comb trim to 4 or 5. Should clean it up for you. Run the stove up one 3 or 4 for a hour or so will help clean the glass too!

Here is a picture of hearthtools Omega after 30 bags of fuel(I don't have a picture of mine at work!).
 

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My M55 has the same soot pattern in the same right hand corner. I have the trim and combustion air both set at 3. When the stove is in Auto does it change the trim and combustion air automatically?
 
Thanks for the Input guys, gonna pass the info along to them,so they can try a few settings/suggestions, anyone else with pics of yours doing same or NOT doing same please attatch,thanks Gutter.,.
 
Kevin C said:
My M55 has the same soot pattern in the same right hand corner. I have the trim and combustion air both set at 3. When the stove is in Auto does it change the trim and combustion air automatically?

No the auto has no effect on the trim. The only thing that will change your trim settings is loss of power.
 
The M55's all have the same pattern. i have noticed it occurs more at setting 1 or 2. If i burn okies on 1 i get a coating of light gray ash, when i raise the level to 3 it blows most of it off with only a little left. Hardwood pellets don't blow off as easily. I asked the factory about it they said it is the design of the air wash.
 
I need to quantify my answer before posting. I have not burned anything in my M55.............yet.
Will be done with the install tomorrow, however looking inside the air wash channel it appears the air
enters on the right hand side as you look at the stove and travels right to left. At the left end it
would appear the air is then forced upward towards the glass. the strongest air wash looks to
be on the left. If the channel had a baffle(s) to direct the air evenly from the channel this may not happen.
I will have first hand knowledge soon. Anyone else looked closeley at the air wash channel? Can the
air flow be tinkered with?
 
pelletdude said:
The M55's all have the same pattern. i have noticed it occurs more at setting 1 or 2. If i burn okies on 1 i get a coating of light gray ash, when i raise the level to 3 it blows most of it off with only a little left. Hardwood pellets don't blow off as easily. I asked the factory about it they said it is the design of the air wash.

I agree PD, The softwood stuff just wipes right off. The hardwood stuff seems to stick more and requires either glass cleaner or wet rag dipped in ashes to remove the goo. But is takes a little longer for the hardwoods stuff to build.Cranking up the stove to 3 or 4 with the softies will usually blow the crap right off. If you can stand the heat when its cranked! :).

The Omega has 2 air wash vents and 1 large baffle to diffect the air up the glass. What does the M55 have??
 
Folks, it looks like the air wash gap is less on one side of the stove than the other, thus there is a lack of air on one side to keep the glass clean (as if it really will work for long).

Rod appears to have his stove fairly well tuned.

I wonder if there is a way to adjust the air wash gap.
 
No gap on these SmokeyTheBear its not a glass airwash system. Its a hinged flapper valve that closes on lower air feeds. Well on the Omega anyway. The more air you draw with an increased damper or combustion blower trim will open the valve more. I tried wedging in a metal piece to hold it open and you loose the flame like an air leak. It actually works pretty good except it doesn't make it to the top on the Omega. But even with very dirty fuel the center stays clean for a long time(as seem in rods photo). 2 solid weeks on MWP batch 1 and mine looked like them photos of rods.

If you look gutterboy2ca posted pictures of a weeks worth with no air wash. I don't think you can see the burnpot thru the glass. I'll bet the M55 doesn't look much worse a week later.

Maybe adding a baffle or deflector to try deflecting the air to the right some more??? IDK!
 
Jay I wasn't saying the Omega has or doesn't have an air wash, just that it looked like the M55 does and the gap is not even across the stove window. Which I still don't know what if anything the M55 actually has for an air wash.

I did however say that Rod seems to have his stove well tuned.

Keeping crap off of a glass surface with a fire on one side and relatively frigid air on the other is almost an exercise in futility, air wash or no air wash. I'm now at 31 bags through my stove this season and I haven't cleaned my glass yet, the major mess on my glass will for the most part "burn off" if I crank up the stove. For some reason except for the side glass pieces this stove doesn't actually soot up the glass. It does however put a nice condensate smear on it.
 
I have been burning my M55 most of the day today on heat setting 1 just to help burn off some of the paint.
Am just now starting to get the top 3" of the glass to start to haze over. Earlier I had bumped up the convection blower
to 4 from the factory setting of 3 and the flame picked up to a much nicer pattern. I am currently burning an 80/20 mix of
corn and pellets.
 
STB, I'm about possitive the M55 has the same flapper vavle airwash system as the Omega. But I am getting a bit older and the memory does get some blank spots. Pretty sure it only has one valve though. The Enviro stuff is kind of unique AFAIK.

Most other stoves I see only have a missing lower door glass gasket and a plate you can play with the gap on. I was only tring to explain so others got a drift on how the thing works. Meant no harm Sir!
 
Gee Jay, I suffer from such ailments as well. It comes with the advanced age and cumulative levels of adult grain beverages consumed during said aging process (damn I hate that word maybe even more than issues).

I wasn't in the mood to download and read yet another manual, after awhile they all start looking the same.

Not a problem at all Old Man ;-).
 
Well this old man got to thinking a bit. Maybe the cooler air from the air wash on these stoves cools off the ash as it hits the air stream and thats why it turns black. What say the' old bear? If I lean out the burn the black gets minimal but never actually goes away. I know you like a good puzzle to keep them brain cells active!

Maybe gutterboy2ca can post a picture of the airwash on the M55 and the baffle that dirrects the air for us?
 
j-takeman said:
Well this old man got to thinking a bit. Maybe the cooler air from the air wash on these stoves cools off the ash as it hits the air stream and thats why it turns black. What say the' old bear? If I lean out the burn the black gets minimal but never actually goes away. I know you like a good puzzle to keep them brain cells active!

Maybe gutterboy2ca can post a picture of the airwash on the M55 and the baffle that dirrects the air for us?

I'll ponder on the puzzle and download yet another manual and give it a quick read, but it will be later.

If you could get a heated air flow or a cold air flow of sufficient strength without any of the combustion by products in it an air wash would stand a chance in keeping that glass clean, but that isn't the case with these stoves as far as I have seen.

I can't really play with my stove all that much as there are no real adjustments that I can make (unless I want to do some modifications). This beast is a real simple dragon no bells or whistles to go wrong or get out of balance, just keep it clean and it will keep you warm.
 
jhass said:
I have been burning my M55 most of the day today on heat setting 1 just to help burn off some of the paint.
Am just now starting to get the top 3" of the glass to start to haze over. Earlier I had bumped up the convection blower
to 4 from the factory setting of 3 and the flame picked up to a much nicer pattern. I am currently burning an 80/20 mix of
corn and pellets.

Now that is interesting, the convection air system should not affect the flame.

It can if there is a way for the blower to interact with the combustion air flow or impact the power that is feed to the combustion blower.

Those systems really should be separate.
 
Here a 2 week burn with some iffy pellets from last season.
 

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Sorry for the mixed up post I actually set the combustion fan to 4 from 3 not the convection fan.
 
Hey Guys i'll see if i can get a couple shots of the air wash system on that stove and post them, i have never looked at it myself.
Anyone by any chance running an O.A.K? wonder if that would have any differing effect at all.Prob not.
 
OK to much Jagermeister today. I set the combustion blower from 3 to 4.
Yes I have an OAK installed .
 
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